2009-12-04, 14:25 | Link #101 | |
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A simple example, Luffy had Haki all along, and only recently the author decided to tell us. If we had knew Haki since day one in OP, saying that Luffy didn’t possessed Haki would had been an absurd because there were nothing in the Manga proving it. It was a occurrence that could had gone either way. The same you can say in Bleach with the Bankai issue and Ikkau, He had Bankai by the time he encounter Ihchigo, yet we didn’t know he had it until much later in the Manga. Going back to Mihawk, the Kriegs Pirate all have lost their will to go on, they returned to east blue devastated after the encounter with Mihawk, and when Mihawk went looking for them, that fear return to the crew, this is a clear definition of Haki. C.A. can confirm you that. Once again, this is not a matter of proving what is right or wrong within the Manga, rather is that you are wrong in terms on wanting to pass your assumption as facts. Im still waiting from your Manga proof that said Mihawk can’t harm Logias, I believe this is the 3rd time I ask you this.
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2009-12-04, 14:27 | Link #102 |
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@Tenryuken: Again, why are you harping so much about Mihawk? Does it really matter (right now) what he can or cannot do? There is an entire thread dedicated to the Shichibukai if you (and others) wish to discussion Mihawk's potential abilities (etc). Why don't you (and others), instead, focus on the actual characters that appeared in this chapter, rather than discussing someone that hasn't appeared in any significant way for several chapters.
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2009-12-04, 14:34 | Link #103 |
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Well people always overestimate Mihawk but I agree with Rurik, only from another perspective.
Some says that I take it as a fact that Mihawk doesn't have Haki but them saying "I pretty sure that Mihawk can harm Logias", doesn't that mean that they take it as a fact that Mihawk does have Haki with less proof to back their statements? Ok, I'll look into the Shishibukai Thread. |
2009-12-04, 14:35 | Link #104 |
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stop feeding the trolls.... seriously there's no proof for either argument which is the point some people are trying making to you.
Stop trying to use warped logic to prove something that can only be yes/no'ed by the Author, proving they can't prove something does mean you've proved the counter point, only that there wrong.
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2009-12-04, 14:41 | Link #105 |
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This is completely off topic, but I do want to make an observation (and end up the debate here ), and that saying ""I'm pretty sure that...." could be taken just as an Assumption, as is not the same than saying "He can do...".
The first sentence represents a personal opinion, the second represents an established fact. Lets do like James said and stop this bikering, k?
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2009-12-04, 16:00 | Link #106 | |
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2009-12-04, 18:41 | Link #107 | ||
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To simplify it even further, imagine that Sengoku has a power that gives good people good luck, and bad people misfortune. The strength of said luck depends on how many good or bad deeds a person has done in their lifetime. That's why I say that if Sengoku were to use such a power on the pirates present in Marineford, it would have a pretty devestating effect since most of them have spent most, if not their entire lives sailing the seas committing wrongdoings. It's questionable if such a power would be very effective on Luffy though, since although he may be a pirate, he's done his share of good deeds during his adventures...... Quote:
I'd have no objection to one of the elites having a simple DF power used in an insanely creative fashion (after all, I loved how Blueno's door fruit was used), but I guess I'd like to see Sengoku use such a complex power since, in addition to fitting in with his Buddha nickname, would kind of be a nice tribute to Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, as well (some of the most powerful, broken Stands in that series also turned out to be amongst the most complex, after all). I'd like to see Oda take another stab at a powerful Paramecia ability that isn't simply destructive in nature (at least to an extent, anyway). I know Hancock's power kinda has that concept in mind already, but I just want to see something a little more.... again, complex. |
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2009-12-04, 20:45 | Link #108 | |
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On another note, I really like the idea of a Karma based fruit. I hope it or something like it will come up sometime in the future, but I don't like it would be the best fruit for him. I think that his goat is actually apart of him and he has some sort of separation ability, and he jst like goats. Having to minds would help him achieve his master strategist title for he would be able to devise two strategies at once. |
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2009-12-04, 23:06 | Link #110 | |
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There is a similar irony with Donquixote Doflamingo. The real Donquixote was a fanatical dreamer, whereas Doflamingo is completely opposed to dreams.
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Do you even know what the term proof means? Quote:
Do i really have to break it down for you?? Rayleigh is a swordsman. Mihawk is a swordsman. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world. ∴ Mihawk is stronger then Rayleigh. Rayleigh could hit Kizaru (and presumably all logia). ∴ Mihawk, being stronger then Rayleigh, should be able to hit logia too. Do you get it yet? Quote:
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2009-12-05, 06:29 | Link #116 | ||
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It's like saying anybody stronger than Luffy can defeat Enel the same way Luffy did. Quote:
I do like Young Mihawk(who told you I didn't like him) but it's not cuz I like him that he can do WTF any swordsman in the world can do. |
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2009-12-05, 09:23 | Link #118 | |
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Zoan would enhance his fighting capabilitys and Paramecia could make him more unique and threatining... Magellan with poison was very formidable. |
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2009-12-05, 09:26 | Link #119 | |
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First Captain Marco "Phoenix" Marco Vs. Admiral Aokiji should be interesting. I hope they go at for awhile and not do a little hit kick n punch, then go off and fight others. Because of their Devil Fruit abilities their fight seem like it would be a pretty good match-up.
Doflamingo Vs. Crocodile, I don't know how to feel about it. Yeah I'm interested because its Crocodile, but I see Doflamingo's ability being kind of useless against a Logia. Quote:
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2009-12-05, 09:51 | Link #120 |
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i was expecting luffy to master haki or at least begin using it during this arc so far it doesnt seem to have happened - so i get the feeling another disaster is required for him to get serious, in this case since the war is going on i think the 2 most likely events to trigger his haki would be ace or wb's death.
for the former im expecting ace to get killed just when they think theyve recovered him or wb to get killed in battle or betrayed by squadro a 2nd time, to reveal that his reasoning earlier was bs and he had sided with the marines prior to the battle commencing for w/e reason. but either way, or w/e happens the lack of haki on luffys part has not been impressive, if he could utilize it at amazon lily why doesnt he now? |
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