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Old 2008-11-06, 03:30   Link #10681
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Spoiler for PornStar!Vivio pt.30:
Poor Vivio it's a real heart breaking, i feel so sad *sniff, Sniff.* anyway i will be waiting for update, please hurry up and lets these two back together.

i wonder what you have in your mind for Syn, how she will get Vivio back or the other way around.
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Old 2008-11-06, 04:06   Link #10682
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I hit the text limit O.< So I'll have to do another compile for 21-29. Here's part 29!

By the way, who said this was over? We still have lots to go. :3

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Hmm, very interesting. I like how Elena totally called it. Poor Syn, she deserves some shock time. Vivio should concentrate on at least getting better.
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Edit: Page claim for Loving Stories for being well-told stories! :O
Aww it's over! I'll miss Quack!Fate, or should I say Quack!Nanoha.

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Think about it. I'd like to hear your opinions on what they want with Vivio. If only that lady in that image was Vivio........
So Nanoha and Fate are still on Belkan side while Hayate is on the Terran's side. It looks like Chrono is catching on. I can't believe that the Wolkenritter would turn on Hayate.
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That's pretty random. Lol.
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Old 2008-11-06, 04:43   Link #10683
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Okay, let's back up and kill the shitstorm. I must have come off as a bit harsh, because I got some people a bit riled up. Forgive me. Arguing on 4chan constantly has given me something of an aggressive attitude, and I understand that not everyone here would be accustomed to that.

To my credit, at least I'm not going "shit sux, kill yourself, etc".

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There's nothing wrong with WAFF in appropriate stories.
Hey now, I didn't say that. I appreciate a good WAFF as much as any. I'm just saying that we seem to be rather overloaded with it.

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...eh wha? Okay you're gonna have to explain this one to me. I fail to see how I know nothing about this.

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Sarcasm aside your objections are factually incorrect.
How am I incorrect? The story is about someone who stars in pornography? Am I wrong?

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So, you don't like it, because you are sensitive? You hate porn in any form? Well, you do know your Nanoha was at first... a Pornographic video game?
Sensitive? I think you mistook me for the wrong guy. :\
Yes, I do despise pornography. I'm not the only one who does, but that said, I'm not elevating myself upon a higher pedestal because I don't like it compared to people who do. It's simply a matter of taste and personal preference, and, having tasted it, I decided that it left something bitter in my mouth.

In my eyes, the very concept of pornography absolutely destroys the beauty of sex. There's no love, no desire, just two people getting it like rabbits for the enjoyment of people who like to watch it. I just can't get over that, you know? For me, sex is supposed to be a wonderful thing that two people who are deeply in love should share, and it shouldn't be sold for money. That's not fair to anyone, I don't think.

And I'm kinda of the opinion that pornography destroys anything women ever strived for when it comes to have equal rights. Yes, I know women still watch it, and that's cool too, I just feel that these people, men and women both, are degrading themselves. It seems to me that these people would have serious psychological issues.

Lastly, that's what it was gonna be, and this is what it is. MSLN did not end up an H-game/anime/whatever, and I think it's better for that. Sex kinda gets in the way of plot for some people (read: This is why F/SN's non-H version is way better than the H-version, unless you absolutely positively need it).

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Oh no! It is the EEVILL porn monster! To be honest, I was going to comment later, its just this comment, accusing others of being "cancer"[my term] and "the problem"[your term] annoys me.
I accused people of nothing. I just said we had a fluff overload. No harm done.

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I find this attitude "I hate it I hate it I hate it!" mindless and childish. Genphest explained it with TVtrpes, but I will also call you out on this sort of comment.
Feel free. Opinions are awesome and cause the brain to function.

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It annoys me to no end when you mindlessly condemn an entire genre just because of your personal beliefs. If you were giving criticism, ok. If you were hating, BUT you read it, Sure! BUT to say I HATE IT IT SUCKS, when you haven't even read it...
Hold on what. I didn't say it sucks, I just said I'd never read it. You may have misinterpreted, or I may have come off as a bit aggressive.

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AND you proudly admit it is a waste of internet bandwith. It would be like me going to the Naruto subforum and saying NARUTO SUX IT IS T3H WORST GET OUT if I had not seen a single episode.
A-ha, but I have read a bit of it.
And also, you called me out, and I'll accept it. Post me links to everything written for the story, and I'll gladly read it tomorrow. If that's what it takes, fine. I don't care and I'm not so arrogant as to dismiss absolutely everything.

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DAMN, this is my first angry post here. That attitude of "I won' t look at X at all and autocondem it" is the truest version of "cancer" on the internet, in fandoms to be more precise, in fact.
Why So Serious? There's nothing to be angry about. Hell, I wasn't angry when I posted my rant, why should you be? Count backwards from ten, chill out, watch a movie... you know, The Internet is Not Serious Business.

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Thank you.
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I'd take my time to point out how wrong you are on so many levels, but since you proudly declare your hate on it while saying you know nothing about it... I won't waste my breath.
Fair enough. But as I just said, I'll gladly read it if it makes anyone feel better. It's only right and proper in the context of things I suppose, but forgive me if I'm not taking all of this seriously. The only thing I really do take seriously on the Tubes are the friends I've made here, and I'd rather not let it be ruined by a silly debate over "teh pronz".

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As it was said, I don't care if you hate it, bash it, say it sucks, complain, get a petition to try and make me stop writing it.... Hey, that's GOOD. It means my work affected you in a very strong manor, even negative, and I'd be damn proud to have caused such an emotion.
Whoa, what? I don't want you to stop writing! Far from it! I encourage everyone to write to their hearts' content.

You as an author know as well as I do that people aren't going to like everything you write, whether it's the current issue or anything else. I'm sure there are people who won't read anything you've been writing simply because you have an OC in there.

You can't please everyone. You shouldn't try to please everyone. It'll make you sick worrying about it.

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But you don't even READ it? I'm sorry, that just baffles me. how can you complain about something you don't know about? How can you call Vivio a whore without even knowing her? What if she was raped, or someone was terminally ill and needed money for surgery so she sacrificed herself to get it? What if she cried every night about how she hated it but had to keep doing it for some reason?
Hm... from what I've been told, this doesn't exactly happen?
And it's personal bias. My experience with anything involving pornography, implied or explicit, usually ends badly for me. My brain goes into overdrive, I think about it too hard, and then I get headaches.

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Bottom line is, don't complain about things you don't know about. It's childish, pointless, and makes people look at you like you're an idiot. Specially against fanfics you haven't read, on a fanfic thread.
See, obviously, it appears that I've made a mistake here. I felt that I did know a bit about it, at least enough to say what I did, but sense everyone is going psycho on me I guess not. It won't be the first time that I've been wrong, and I have no problem admitting that. I've been tempered in the fires of 4chan and steeled by the haxxbusters of the OCT, I can take a little negativity.

As for looking like an idiot, I stopped caring about that a long time ago. It only makes my head hurt when I care about what others think of me.

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I'm sorry, this is the first time I've just been pissed about comments on my fics. If you want to say that, read it, then say it. I'll listen then and offer my thoughts. Until then, don't mention my story anymore.
Wait, what?
You're mad, and I fail to understand why. It's just a story, right? Nothing to get upset about...

And I won't, not until I get someone to link me the... er, scenes, chapters, what have you.

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and BTW, Nanoha WAS a hentai. It was planned a hentai, and it was scrapped. There are actual photos of this and you can find them if you look. The final Scene in Nanoha was her having sex with Chrono. they changed it to a real series later and re-did it. Now, if you didn't know they changed it, because you never even attempted to watch it, and you complained about how Nanoha was a whore and stuff...... people would look at you like you were from another planet. Like "WTF are you talking about!?" That's exactly how this is, just ina fanfic.
The concept is never as important as the finished product.

I await everyone's reply rather eagerly. I'm always up for clarifying my thoughts when directing them to others, as I know that sometimes it can be lost in the way my head works. Since SB told me earlier that I shouldn't post 4chan style because "we should probably keep it there" or something, I'll try and be calm. Actually, I take that back. I will be calm, because there's nothing to be angry about.

Besides, stimulating the mind is always good for you .
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Old 2008-11-06, 05:56   Link #10684
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In my eyes, the very concept of pornography absolutely destroys the beauty of sex. There's no love, no desire, just two people getting it like rabbits for the enjoyment of people who like to watch it. I just can't get over that, you know? For me, sex is supposed to be a wonderful thing that two people who are deeply in love should share, and it shouldn't be sold for money. That's not fair to anyone, I don't think.
Considering this story is about Vivio realizing that very fact, that sex is not just something you do for money, I'd think that's all the more reason for you to read it.
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Old 2008-11-06, 06:02   Link #10685
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Considering this story is about Vivio realizing that very fact, that sex is not just something you do for money, I'd think that's all the more reason for you to read it.
So I've come to understand... I dunno...
I do feel like I've made a mess of things when I didn't mean to.
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Old 2008-11-06, 07:11   Link #10686
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I just feel somewhat annoyed that my whole counter to the love is fluff idea was ignored. Repost below.

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But fluff is love. Love the fluff. /creepy voice
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I know you're being sarcastic, but this is 99% of what's wrong with this thread.
Love is not always fluff. Real love goes beyond the cotton candiness of the fluff of FFT.

There is no greater love than someone to die for their friends.

Michael Monsoor.

Raphael Peralta.

Michael Murphy.

Jason Dunham.

Ross McGinnis.

Paul Smith.


And many, many more.

They died showing a love greater than any fluff.
All of the above are Someone You Should Know.
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Old 2008-11-06, 07:56   Link #10687
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It was probably ignored because many people have not the slightest clue who those people are, and aren't really inclined to read their Wiki entries, as they really don't care that much either. Not everyone loves to read up on American war heroes.
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Old 2008-11-06, 08:12   Link #10688
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True. As proven by Obama and the Legion, the vast populace cares not for those who serve them, only for their personal enjoyment.

Most of those guys above died throwing themselves on grenades, ensuring they would die so that their friends would live. Murphy and Smith were killed in combat by making themselves that couldn't be missed so that everyone would go after them instead.

Five Medal of Honor Winners, 1 Navy Cross. Not too shabby.
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Old 2008-11-06, 08:47   Link #10689
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True. As proven by Obama and the Legion, the vast populace cares not for those who serve them, only for their personal enjoyment.
Or perhaps not everyone on this board is American, thus doesn't even have that connection.
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Old 2008-11-06, 08:54   Link #10690
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Fluff is good for the brain. Overload of fluff counteracts all the reading I have to do for ultra-depressing class on mental illnesses, including the 700-page tome about a guy with schizophrenia, another guy who is so lost in grief that he tries to teach his dog to talk, and now... a girl who's traumatized by almost-rape and is now fixated and unlocking the puzzle of a late homeless guy with schizophrenia.


Fluff. Overload. Equals. Love~~

D: So don't hate against the influx of WAFF.

Edit: Enough clogging of the off-topic quota with stuff loosely related to PS!Vivio. That energy could be better spent writing fics. Or you know, reading. Or having a life outside the FFT (that one's always particularly fun). Wheet.
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Old 2008-11-06, 08:58   Link #10691
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@Kagerou: People are upset because you proudly declared you didn't read it and then proceeded to bash it with personal beliefs and ideas that are completely unrelated to the story. You think this story is about Vivio being a porn star, and hate it because of that. In reality, vivio's job is being an porn star but the story is about her trying to understand what love is, as well as just trying to make it through her life.

@Goose: 95% of the people here aren't Americans, so they probably don't care at all about the things you listed.
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Spoiler for Previously:
Spoiler for PornStar!Vivio pt.31:
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Old 2008-11-06, 11:27   Link #10693
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@Keroko & Satashi: Hell, 95% of Americans themselves don't care.

Point I tried to make, which apparently got overrun, was simply that fluff isn't the end all be all of love. It's been said, "Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." That's a sort of love that I try to show in my writing (nevermind that I haven't gotten up to that point in the story yet).

Yes, that is a spoiler for my TF6 project. People are going to die in it. (Though not like the bucketloads in Alpha... like almost 85% of all OCs died, no less than 9 CCs died, Signum was killed and zergified and resurrected as the Queen of Blades (unholy fusion of Kerrigan & Signum), even the dead weren't spared; Precia was revived and killed, Alicia was revived and killed, I think we killed Vivio somewhere along the line, ditto Nanoha... let's not get into Erusia getting glassed, Mid-Childa being fucked up, and Earth ending up as a last bastion of safety due to the Almighty Badass of the United States Marines and the TSAB Marines.)

"Regret...regret...regret..."

"Catchy. Any idea what it means?"

"Dear humanity: We regret being alien bastards. We regret comin' to Earth. And we most certainly regret the Corps shooting up our raggedy-ass parasite fleet!"
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"regret...regret...regret..."

"catchy. Any idea what it means?"

"dear humanity: We regret being alien bastards. We regret comin' to earth. And we most certainly regret the corps shooting up our raggedy-ass parasite fleet!"
HOO-AH!!!!!

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HOO-AH!!!!!

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Is...

HUU-RA!!!

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HUU-RA!!!

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@Thread: The next chapter of VSOTP should be coming tonight or tomorrow (depends on your timesone )
and the next chjapter of NROTU should be posted Friday or Saturday this week
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@Keroko & Satashi: Hell, 95% of Americans themselves don't care.

Point I tried to make, which apparently got overrun, was simply that fluff isn't the end all be all of love. It's been said, "Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." That's a sort of love that I try to show in my writing (nevermind that I haven't gotten up to that point in the story yet).

Yes, that is a spoiler for my TF6 project. People are going to die in it. (Though not like the bucketloads in Alpha... like almost 85% of all OCs died, no less than 9 CCs died, Signum was killed and zergified and resurrected as the Queen of Blades (unholy fusion of Kerrigan & Signum), even the dead weren't spared; Precia was revived and killed, Alicia was revived and killed, I think we killed Vivio somewhere along the line, ditto Nanoha... let's not get into Erusia getting glassed, Mid-Childa being fucked up, and Earth ending up as a last bastion of safety due to the Almighty Badass of the United States Marines and the TSAB Marines.)

"Regret...regret...regret..."

"Catchy. Any idea what it means?"

"Dear humanity: We regret being alien bastards. We regret comin' to Earth. And we most certainly regret the Corps shooting up our raggedy-ass parasite fleet!"
So in order to be a good story in your book, there can be NO FLUFF, only death in as much scenes as possible? How could you kill Vivio!

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So in order to be a good story in your book, there can be NO FLUFF, only death in as much scenes as possible? How could you kill Vivio!
The OC thread is mainly military people who go for war. The fanfic thread is mainly fluff addicts who go for love.

We both like different things, so generally the war stuff is accepted on OC thread (even if it really isn't OC much) and the love stuff is more accepted here ( even if , for example, Syn shows up)

@Goose: Sorry, I don't care about things like that either,even if I am American. I don't want to read about people blowing up and getting shot regardless of why it happened >.<
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Old 2008-11-06, 13:15   Link #10699
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So in order to be a good story in your book, there can be NO FLUFF, only death in as much scenes as possible? How could you kill Vivio!
You misread as usual. I simply pointed out that this is a form of love that is greater than fluff, and then indicated that yes, that meant that people were going to die in TF6, protecting others. And I'm not going overboard like Gundam; I firmly believe in the cast earning their happy ending. That said, Death does make for good drama - I grew up in the Eva fandom, afterall.

And some deaths are especially memorable and strike the heart. Episode 20 of Macross Frontier. Michel Blanc's death is one of those scenes that resonate with you: touching, sad, painful, shocking... and to add insult to injury, the BGM song, Shinku no Diamond Crevasse, is a girl singing about parting with the guy she loves.

Alpha, meanwhile, is a dead fic. It won't be continued, so you don't have to nerdrage away, mon Legionaire. And besides, sure, we killed Vivio...

...and she was reborn as Der Sankt Kaiser, so I think it was a fair trade.

Oh yeah, in TF6, Vivio technically dies at one point - her heart is stopped.

"Charging! Two hundred!"

"Clear!"

*beepbeepbeep*

"We got a pulse!"


The power of modern medicine. You can "die" and be "resurrected".

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I'm placing in a vouch for Self-preservation, above all else.
So basically, you consider yourself more important than your friends, and if your death means that you will save others, you will instead save yourself and let the others die, due to the value you place on self-preservation.

That's your choice. It is, afterall, your life, to do with what you will.

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The OC thread is mainly military people who go for war. The fanfic thread is mainly fluff addicts who go for love.

We both like different things, so generally the war stuff is accepted on OC thread (even if it really isn't OC much) and the love stuff is more accepted here ( even if , for example, Syn shows up)
Actually, it's only me, Kagerou and Kha who write about war. Kha writes about "IN THE FUTURE THERE IS ONLY WAR" mixed with Nano, Kagerou is writing about... something GITS-ish, and I'm writing blackops mages and a more hard scale mil-SF take on Nano. Oh, and there's TK too.

The rest of OC? Lotsa different things, and not all is war (atm it's like only me and TK are writing stuff that's more militariy & tactically oriented). But yes, there is more combat and action in OC writings.

Besides, I write about love too. It's just subtler and a different kind of love. Not related by blood incest & tsundere imouto FTW. Oh, and married couples.

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@Goose: Sorry, I don't care about things like that either,even if I am American. I don't want to read about people blowing up and getting shot regardless of why it happened >.<
It's essentially the same context as episode 16, when Nanoha tanked Deici's blast to protect the chopper. If she hadn't been able to raise a barrier, you can bet your last dollar she would have tanked that blast with her body.

But yes, most people don't care, especially in FFT. That's why I don't really post here, because FFT is not my target audience. (Which would, this time 1 year ago, caused another minirant on how FFT is not truly welcoming of all fanfics but we went through that once and don't need to do so again. I know my audience and it isn't here.)
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I wouldn't say mainly military. It's just I think 4 or 5 that mainly about pure military. Others are more about interaction between the cast in TSAB and around it.
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