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Nanashi_1337 · 2012-01-12, 04:52

You know what I miss in this game? An original character if possible, and not only a not-that-different Battler). I even came out with an idea before Cross, but I guess I was expecting too much. Of course, it's really easy to just pull an idea but hard to make it, but still. This is the character I thought about:

Spoiler for Skip if you're not interested in knowing:

**Klashikari** · 2012-01-12, 06:14

That wouldn't be a good idea whatsoever: adding a completely original character in Ougon wouldn't make much sense plotwise, but it would definitely annoy people who would expect their favorite character to be included, instead of a random char coming out of nowhere.

Meltyred · 2012-01-12, 06:37

I would wish for Sorcerer Battler...
Or Goldsmith, meta special being DRAGON TRANSFORM.
If Genji wasn't so against fighting, I would like him also. (He seems like a super strong person...)
Oh Godha for joke character.

reiimuuchan · 2012-01-12, 07:36

I want witch Maria in the game, even if she already is an assist to Rosa... Lucifer is an assist to Beato, so I think it could work. Maria's meta super would have to be twisting somebody's limbs as she did to Rosa in ep 4 XD
Featherine would be interesting, too... or Gaap.

But, I'm kind of worried the game won't get many more updates, given Ryukishi has stopped working on Umineko, and is going to start an new when they cry series soon >:

Eriko 556 · 2012-01-12, 08:03

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Originally Posted by reiimuuchan

But, I'm kind of worried the game won't get many more updates, given Ryukishi has stopped working on Umineko, and is going to start an new when they cry series soon >:

A new When They Cry series? Where did you get this information?

EDIT: Forget it. I saw now the information on Higanbana Forum.
Well, lthe way R07 says on his journal, I don't think he'll do a WTC5-6.

CrimsonMoonMist · 2012-01-12, 09:37

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Originally Posted by reiimuuchan

But, I'm kind of worried the game won't get many more updates, given Ryukishi has stopped working on Umineko, and is going to start an new when they cry series soon >:

I don't know how aggressive Ryuukishi is when it comes to introducing his new series and getting attention away from the old, but Higurashi's still getting OVAs and whatnot,
so I don't see why a new series would mean they'd abandon something they started with an old one. They did express interest in fixing up the engine back when they asked which direction the fans wanted them to take with Ougon 2 too.

Nanashi_1337 · 2012-01-12, 10:01

But there's no more characters to add. As much as people wants Gaap (like me), there's not enough material in the series to make her a fighting game character. I don't know who else we could put in there, apart from Featherine, but really, she suffers the same problem as Gaap. That's why at this point, when there's no more characters to add from the games, I wouldn't mind an original character.

That, or a Higurashi vs Umineko crossover fighting game.

maximilianjenus · 2012-01-12, 10:02

Then people voted for more chaarcters and somehow they still managed to break the engine, maybe it was out of spite ?

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Originally Posted by Meltyred

I would wish for Sorcerer Battler...
Or Goldsmith, meta special being DRAGON TRANSFORM.
If Genji wasn't so against fighting, I would like him also. (He seems like a super strong person...)
Oh Godha for joke character.

gohda being a serious character would be the joke, he would be a steven seagal clone, that being a knife wielding aikido user, see the post ep05 extra tip or chapter 02 of the tsubasa manga.

We still have not gotten gaap yet so i can't be interested on a new character, ryuguu was still hinted, but i can still see them adding more new characters based off the already existing ones.

Nanashi_1337 · 2012-01-12, 10:06

No joke characters, please. That goes after there's nothing more to add and you just want to put an extra silly thing to finally complete the roster.

Tong · 2012-01-12, 10:11

I want every Sin Stake playable.
People love clone characters, I mean that's why Street Fighter is super-popular.

battle22 · 2012-01-12, 10:16

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Originally Posted by Nanashi_1337

But there's no more characters to add. As much as people wants Gaap (like me), there's not enough material in the series to make her a fighting game character. I don't know who else we could put in there, apart from Featherine, but really, she suffers the same problem as Gaap. That's why at this point, when there's no more characters to add from the games, I wouldn't mind an original character.

That, or a Higurashi vs Umineko crossover fighting game.

you kidding me? so shanon has fighting material in the series?
gaap had more moves than her. dont get me wrong i like shanon but saying there werent enough materials in series is bull...
sorry for my english.

Captain Bluebeard · 2012-01-12, 10:34

Yeah, it's pretty disappointing that they didn't include Gaap while Shannon still gets to dump trays and cups on the opponents head...But at any rate, Umineko has seriously a looooot of characters, so chances are we'll still get more of them. After all, there's still Bern, Lambda and willard coming up

!

P.S: Finallyyyyy! Finally managed to beat Black Battler+Dlanor in Hard with Beato+Erika!

CrimsonMoonMist · 2012-01-12, 10:35

If French Bread could make Hisui into a fighting game character,
then nothing should be impossible with some imagination.
Heck, Shannon is pretty similar in this regard,
the only fighting she did as far as I remember was protecting people and squishing Maria.
So her moveset is pretty much just made up from the keywords 'maid + barriers'
Except for the seagull which I have no idea how they came up with.

Snow_Storm · 2012-01-12, 10:44

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Originally Posted by Tong

I want every Sin Stake playable.
People love clone characters, I mean that's why Street Fighter is super-popular.

>Implying people played Street Fighter only because of clone characters and implying it was never popular before the Shotoclone nonsense.

The only Stake Sisters I could see being in this game are Satan because she's the second oldest and Mammon because of Ange. Even then, we be in Shotoclone Country with them two.

Meltyred · 2012-01-12, 10:50

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Originally Posted by CrimsonMoonMist

If French Bread could make Hisui into a fighting game character,
then nothing should be impossible with some imagination.
Heck, Shannon is pretty similar in this regard,
the only fighting she did as far as I remember was protecting people and squishing Maria.
So her moveset is pretty much just made up from the keywords 'maid + barriers'
Except for the seagull which I have no idea how they came up with.

Cause Umineko.
Basically it's because of the title itself.

Azule · 2012-01-12, 10:50

I'm probably the only person who wants to see Ange-Beatrice involved. It just doesn't seem right to have Sakutaro and the stakes as her main attacks anymore, after considering what a huge role she played in Episode 8. She could keep the summoning aspect by using the resurrection magic, but a new costume and some new moves would be nice.

Goldsmith would also be pretty cool. He'd have a Winchester, with the siestas as supports (Episode 4), and turn into a dragon for his meta special.

I'd also like to see Gaap come in with her kicks and pitfalls, and Featherine just for completions sake (She's got a few fighting scenes, and artistic interpretation can be used to fill out the rest of her moves). But it's doubtful that we'll get any more characters, considering the current roster is 19.

Nanashi_1337 · 2012-01-12, 10:52

We may get one more, but I doubt they go past 20.

Tong · 2012-01-12, 11:00

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Originally Posted by Snow_Storm

>Implying people played Street Fighter only because of clone characters and implying it was never popular before the Shotoclone nonsense.

The only Stake Sisters I could see being in this game are Satan because she's the second oldest and Mammon because of Ange. Even then, we be in Shotoclone Country with them two.

You're right, it wasn't fair... But take a look at Melty Blood.
Hell, almost every character has one or two alternate version...

As for Umineko, Gaap would be the most logical choice for next character

reiimuuchan · 2012-01-12, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Tong

I want every Sin Stake playable.
People love clone characters, I mean that's why Street Fighter is super-popular.

I would love all the stakes to be playable too, because I really like Beelzebub, Belphegor and Asmodeus... and Belphegor was like, 16th on the character popularity poll, wasn't she?
But... I don't think it's going to happen... maybe it would be too much effort just to basically make 7 clone characters?
Plus I'm sure there are characters people want in the game more XD

CrimsonMoonMist · 2012-01-12, 11:16

7 clone characters are definitely too much,
even if every one of them had different movesets.
Personal opinons aside,
It's fine to just have Lucifer represent the stakes
and 410 for the chiesters.

2012-01-12, 04:52	Link #2441
Nanashi_1337 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	You know what I miss in this game? An original character if possible, and not only a not-that-different Battler). I even came out with an idea before Cross, but I guess I was expecting too much. Of course, it's really easy to just pull an idea but hard to make it, but still. This is the character I thought about: Spoiler for Skip if you're not interested in knowing: Name: Any name related to red/crimson (either by using the same Kanji for the colours or by just putting that colour in the name) Description: A woman with a decent figure. With elegant but torn clothes that don't cover a lot. A lot of her body is covered with bandages that are blood-soaked. Her face is also covered with bandages, only showing her mouth and ears. Her hair is a mess, and it's red/crimson colour or similar. Personality: she acts like she's crazy, moving or talking weird. She only says things similar to "It hurts..." or just screams in pain. Rare times she says things like "Please love me..." How she fights: She uses blood to counter enemies. Such blood comes out from the injuries that those enemies inflict her, so she can only attack if she gets hurt. The blood can also take the form of goats, which can be unarmed or not. Who she really is: Personification of the red truth as the goats see it (a weapon to hurt others), the pain that red truth causes them, and also the writer of the story. The Attack and counter with blood is equal to when a goat says a theory (usually terrible) and is countered with the red truth to disprove it, hurting them (pride or other feelings) in the process. The blood taking form of goats is the theories that were destroyed by the red truth, used as "You're not the only one that came out with this silly theory and I disproved it", since people always like to be the first and only person to realise such thing, so by using the goats it makes that feeling go away. The different goats show how good or bad that theory was (armed goats were good theories, unarmed were bad or silly ones). She can also be seen as the writer if you interpret the "Please love me..." as a call from that writer so the reader trusts him, plus it also gives the meaning of attack and counter as the writer defending the story from those bad theories, with no other choice than to attack them, hurting both the writer and the goats feelings because of this dissonance. Also, if in any moment her face is revealed, her face will be Ange's face, showing the person that was hurt most by the red truth in this gameboard. How it would work in the fighting game: - When she dashes, a blood goat pushes her, while sliding in blood. She has decent speed. - When she grabs, she embraces the opponent, then a bloody spear pierces both her from behind and the opponent as collateral damage. Only the opponent gets hurt and is sent away. - Metafield abilty: Pain. Counter hit makes the opponent get stunned and stuck in a place for longer time than normal. Even works for projectiles. Only triggers once, to use more you have to Touch or enter Metafield. - Projectile. Throws a bloody spear. ABC decides distance it covers and cooldown. Acts similar to Battler's projectile. Projectile comes out from her chest though. - A counter. ABC decides what kind of attack it counters. Let's make it like Ronove. A counters low, she crouches and covers herself. A goat comes out from her if attacked and sends the opponent to the air, just like the one from Virgilia. Allows aerial combos. B counters standing, she opens her arms like she wants to embrace the opponent. If it hits, a goat comes out from her stomach, tackles the opponent with its head and sends them to the wall (can rush after the opponent, and if you're close to the wall it allows combos). C counters high, she raises her arm and acts like she tries to grab the moon. If it counters, a goathead comes out from her hand, bites the opponent and throws it to the ground (allows OTG combos). - Mine placement. ABC first time decides distance (short/mid/long). After placing, A makes a goat appear that runs away from her. Lowest startup and pushback, meant to use in the middle of combos. B makes a goat appear facing the player and tries to embrace the opponent. If it's in his range, it keeps him grabbed for a small time, allowing her to start a combo against the defenseless opponent. C is special. It makes a goat appear and head to her direction, trying to tackle her with its head. If the opponent is hit, it gets trapped by this goat and moves with it, without being able to do anything (or we could make like it's a moving wall). The special thing is that you can counter your own attack with B counter I mentioned above, and of course, if the opponent is trapped or is pushed by the goat, the counter can hit it. Attacking normally with her may or not may work. Also, she can get hit by this same goat and thrown to the ground, though I don't know if we can make her take damage or not because of it. - 2SP super. If she manages to connect, both she and the opponent starts getting hit by bloody spears in the same position. The difference is that she doesn't get hurt, obviously. - Metasuper. A counter. If it counters, she is sent flying then falls to the ground. From her body, lots of blood suddenly appears and covers the screen (you lose sight of the characters). When you see them again, a blood goat is grabbing the opponent, and both are placed in the middle of the screen, and there's tons of blood goats coming from the ground, walls and top (half or less than their body, majority having weapons). She's at some distance in front of the opponent. Then she starts walking slowly and when she's close she trips and is about to hit the opponent because of it (like Sakutarou). At the same time, all goats come flying towards both of them, and when they collide the screen gets covered again by blood and she screams. Both appear in the ground after that, with her on top of the opponent. Story paths: - B.Battler & (Akai): both team up to fight against any enemy that wants to confront the truths they carry (though it's more like B.Battler ordering (Akai) to follow him and kill everyone in their way). First encounter is Beatrice & EVAtrice, trying to stop the two from meeting their counterparts. Last is Battler & Ange, that tries to deny their existance. In the end, B.Battler & (Akai) kills everyone and they do a last showdown against each other, one side carrying the painful truth (aka red truth) and the other carrying the convenient truth (aka Battler culprit solves everything). - Ange & (Akai): Ange orders (Akai) to follow her and finally find the truth, even though Ange doesn't know who she is at all, but knows she must use her. First encounter is EVAtrice and Siesta410, EVA trying to stop Ange from continuing her doomed path. Last encounter is Beatrice & Battler trying to do the same. In the end, (Akai) shows her face, which is the same as Ange, and ends up with Ange on her knees (view from behind her) and (Akai) in front of her, with open arms like trying to embrace, and saying they will become one, as there's no longer difference between both of them. Rare moment in which she talks like normal. - Beatrice & Ange: Beatrice asks Ange to help her get rid of a certain someone that is poluting the game. First encounter is EVAtrice & Battler, trying to make both leave since they will be the ones to deal with that being. Last encounter is (Akai) & Ange, with Ange trying to accept the red truth as something that doesn't hurt or limit you, but as an expression of love. In the end she defeats (Akai), the last saying "Thanks... for loving me" before disappearing. Battler appears and congratulates Ange, then both Ange and Beatrice grab each of Battler's arm and tries to compete into who's taking him. (And as bonus) - B.Battler & Battler: both comes to an agreement of killing everyone in the game. First encounter is Beatrice & Shannon, both trying to stop that truth from happening. Last is Ange & EVAtrice, both trying to stop that truth too. In the end, both merge together and a Battler with half the clothes white and half purple is seen laughing and saying "Are you happy, everyone? This is the truth you all so wanted!" I think it would be an interesting concept as a character, and I really wanted to create some sort of alternative version for Ange, to make her similar as B.Battler. This is the result. Last edited by Nanashi_1337; 2012-01-12 at 05:35.

2012-01-12, 06:14	Link #2442
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	That wouldn't be a good idea whatsoever: adding a completely original character in Ougon wouldn't make much sense plotwise, but it would definitely annoy people who would expect their favorite character to be included, instead of a random char coming out of nowhere. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]

2012-01-12, 10:11	Link #2450
Tong Many RPGs, Little Time Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: BR Age: 32	I want every Sin Stake playable. People love clone characters, I mean that's why Street Fighter is super-popular. __________________

2012-01-12, 10:34	Link #2452
Captain Bluebeard Detective, Witch, Pirate. Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Ruins of the Golden Land	Yeah, it's pretty disappointing that they didn't include Gaap while Shannon still gets to dump trays and cups on the opponents head...But at any rate, Umineko has seriously a looooot of characters, so chances are we'll still get more of them. After all, there's still Bern, Lambda and willard coming up! P.S: Finallyyyyy! Finally managed to beat Black Battler+Dlanor in Hard with Beato+Erika!

2012-01-12, 10:50	Link #2456
Azule Golden Witch Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: The Future Gadget Lab	I'm probably the only person who wants to see Ange-Beatrice involved. It just doesn't seem right to have Sakutaro and the stakes as her main attacks anymore, after considering what a huge role she played in Episode 8. She could keep the summoning aspect by using the resurrection magic, but a new costume and some new moves would be nice. Goldsmith would also be pretty cool. He'd have a Winchester, with the siestas as supports (Episode 4), and turn into a dragon for his meta special. I'd also like to see Gaap come in with her kicks and pitfalls, and Featherine just for completions sake (She's got a few fighting scenes, and artistic interpretation can be used to fill out the rest of her moves). But it's doubtful that we'll get any more characters, considering the current roster is 19. __________________ Total Seacat Island A not-so-average Umineko gameboard

2012-01-12, 06:37	Link #2443
Meltyred Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011	I would wish for Sorcerer Battler... Or Goldsmith, meta special being DRAGON TRANSFORM. If Genji wasn't so against fighting, I would like him also. (He seems like a super strong person...) Oh Godha for joke character.

2012-01-12, 07:36	Link #2444
reiimuuchan Member Join Date: Jan 2012	I want witch Maria in the game, even if she already is an assist to Rosa... Lucifer is an assist to Beato, so I think it could work. Maria's meta super would have to be twisting somebody's limbs as she did to Rosa in ep 4 XD Featherine would be interesting, too... or Gaap. But, I'm kind of worried the game won't get many more updates, given Ryukishi has stopped working on Umineko, and is going to start an new when they cry series soon >:

2012-01-12, 10:01	Link #2447
Nanashi_1337 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	But there's no more characters to add. As much as people wants Gaap (like me), there's not enough material in the series to make her a fighting game character. I don't know who else we could put in there, apart from Featherine, but really, she suffers the same problem as Gaap. That's why at this point, when there's no more characters to add from the games, I wouldn't mind an original character. That, or a Higurashi vs Umineko crossover fighting game.

2012-01-12, 10:06	Link #2449
Nanashi_1337 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	No joke characters, please. That goes after there's nothing more to add and you just want to put an extra silly thing to finally complete the roster.

2012-01-12, 10:35	Link #2453
CrimsonMoonMist Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 30	If French Bread could make Hisui into a fighting game character, then nothing should be impossible with some imagination. Heck, Shannon is pretty similar in this regard, the only fighting she did as far as I remember was protecting people and squishing Maria. So her moveset is pretty much just made up from the keywords 'maid + barriers' Except for the seagull which I have no idea how they came up with.

2012-01-12, 10:52	Link #2457
Nanashi_1337 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011	We may get one more, but I doubt they go past 20.

2012-01-12, 11:16	Link #2460
CrimsonMoonMist Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 30	7 clone characters are definitely too much, even if every one of them had different movesets. Personal opinons aside, It's fine to just have Lucifer represent the stakes and 410 for the chiesters.