2011-03-26, 13:05 | Link #61 | |
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I would love to hear your explanation for why House of Five Leaves and Shiki bombed, as both series primarily focus on adults. Is it a question of quality - you simply don't hold them in the same high regard some of us do? Certainly tastes do vary - but I think the critical consensus is that both shows were excellent. If not quality, why? It can't be because there are too many kids.
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I don't agree with you about Oreimo, BTW, but that's a topic for another thread...
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2011-03-26, 13:07 | Link #62 | |
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The hallmark of these shows' success is selling 25-40K DVD/blurays at $60 per volume. I have a bit - actually, a lot - of trouble believing that any sizable portion of those sales went to middle schoolers.
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2011-03-26, 13:14 | Link #63 | |
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2011-03-26, 13:59 | Link #64 | |
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Well I could just as easily have mentioned involvement of manchildren, but I think the bulk of K-ON!'s success lies in selling life goods. Also, middle/highschool students in Japan aren't so poor that they couldn't afford anime discs. I'd also assert that most anime otaku are the most naive to buy into the belief that true otaku buy Blu-rays of their favorite shows when they're still young. |
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2011-03-26, 14:43 | Link #65 | |
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To shift the focus off Noitamina for a moment, what's happened to NHK/BS2? They used to carry shows like Planetes, Saiunkoku Monogatari, Twelve Kingdoms, and Moribito. I haven't seen shows like those from BS2 in quite a while. I admit to not having yet seen last year's Shinrei Tantei Yakumo, but that never seemed to create much of a vibe, at least around here. Hyouge Mono looks like a plausible contender, but fansubwiki doesn't show much interest among subbers in picking up this show. [OT - With so many shows now being streamed, aren't there some relatively underemployed groups who might focus on shows like Hyouge Mono or Otona Joshi no Anime Time? My suggestion about the latter seems to have fallen on deaf ears over in the "who is going to sub what" thread.]
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2011-03-26, 15:09 | Link #66 | |
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I guess for me I'm taking a simplistic view of this. All I really care about is quality - I'll watch any show, any genre, if it's good and I don't care if a show hits all my checkpoints, if it isn't any good I won't watch it. From the NoitaminA perspective it matters less to me whether they meet any demographic wishlist than that they put out a good product, because there are so few really great shows at any given time. When a series is as great as Hourou Musuko, what do I care if it's about adults or teenagers?
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2011-03-26, 15:35 | Link #67 | ||
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Also, is it just me, or do both of the current Noitamina shows have fairly feminine male leads? Probably helps explain why I like both characters, I liked Renji from EF for similar reasons. (Yes, I am a non-lolicon straight male. Seriously.) Quote:
Edit: Perhaps the best example I can think of is actually the PC enthusiast community. I have one friend who is a big PC gaming enthusiast. In high school, he was very, very practical and pragmatic about upgrading his PC for new games. Nowadays, I can only surmise the attitude behind some of the upgrades he makes as "because I can". And this is pretty much the norm from what I've seen. When I look at the guys who run PC configurations that make me think the person has more money than sense, they're usually not teenagers.
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2011-03-26, 16:04 | Link #68 | |
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2011-04-05, 10:12 | Link #69 |
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With only a couple of weeks to go before the new Noitamina season begins, should we conclude that Funimation's agreement with FujiTV has come to an end? Perhaps the writing was already on the wall when Funi carried only Fractale this season. Crunchyroll's decision to carry Hourou Musoko has not led to their picking up either of the new shows, either, given their announcements.
Both of the new shows appear to be anime originals, and thus perhaps riskier than manga adaptations. Nakamura's C seems an especially dicey proposition after Trapeze's poor showing. AnoHana may turn out well, but Fractale hasn't been a barn-burner either if you look at YouTube viewings. It's on a par with House of Five Leaves or Tatami Galaxy. Shiki is only available at Hulu now, where viewing figures are unavailable, as its being released to DVD. By that criterion, Funimation is batting one for six with Noitamina properties. It looks as though the Funimation/Noitamina deal was a one-year trial balloon, and that Crunchyroll isn't rushing to pick up these properties either.
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2011-04-05, 12:04 | Link #70 | |
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2011-04-06, 10:23 | Link #71 |
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I'm worrying about the ratings but not the quality of the series being produced. Besides Fractale every series they produced these past couple of seasons were great imo. Keep your finger's crossed for C and Anohana to have high ratings.
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2011-04-07, 14:24 | Link #73 |
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I watched 3 anime from NoitaminA which are: Eden of the East, Tatami Galaxy and House of Five Leaves. They were all excellent particularly Tatami Galaxy. Visuals were mind-blowing and the story was unique to say the least. I loved the fact everything was consistent and not forced.
All 3 anime were rather distinct and not resorting to stereotype. I have to say NoitaminA is the shining beacon in this industry when it comes to making a new sort of anime. I just hope more anime like this to come out. |
2011-04-07, 19:14 | Link #74 |
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Next on your list should be the "Bakeneko" arc of Ayakashi Samurai Horror Tales. It's followed by an excellent, though fansubbed-only, sequel entitled Mononoke. They look like nothing else I've seen. (I suggest the Black-Sheep version, though Shinsen's are quite good, too.)
Hakaba Kitarou adopts the comic book style of the original GeGeGe no Kitarou along with its dark story. Moyashimon will teach you a lot about about "brewing" (in all its forms) and introduce you to some cute and hilarious microbes. The creative team behind Bakeneko/Mononoke also made Kuuchuu Buranko which mixes live-action and animation in an unusual way. Though I didn't like it much when it was released, I'm giving it another chance now while I wait for their upcoming show [C]. The remaining shows I've seen are generally well-animated but not so stylistically unconventional as these. Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 goes for that same shiny modern look that Eden of the East displays, but it's not as visually inventive. The remaining, less stylistically distinctive shows often excel in characters and story like Hataraki Man and Nodame Cantabile.
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2011-04-08, 18:08 | Link #75 |
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I'm certainly interested in watching more from NoitaminA. As of now, I'm watching Hourou Musuko and I have to say it's certainly interesting but I don't know what to think of it. I only watched a couple of episodes and I definitely think it has that mature aura around though the main characters are middle school students. I can see why it's quite underappreciated like other anime series from NoitaminA.
I believe I do have heard of Ayakashi Samurai Horror Tales but have never come across any images or the trailers. The title already intrigues me and I'll get around to check it out. And I don't mind if the shows are derivative as long as it has a good plots and character development. I like simple anime series that are run-of-the-mill slice of life. With that reason, I'm also interested in checking out Honey & Clover, yet design of a certain character lose my interest. And I guess I'm not really fond of the pastel character design which is why I didn't have good impressions on both Honey & Clover and Hourou Musuko. |
2011-04-09, 17:29 | Link #76 | |
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2011-04-14, 04:21 | Link #77 |
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Just a thought - does anyone else think that the 11 episode structure just isn't working for noitaminA shows lately? It worked for Tatami Galaxy since it was a completely original work and was able to be properly scheduled around an 11 episode format. But after seeing Fractale, Wandering Son, Kuragehime and Shiki all be well off in the pacing (Fractale had filler in the middle then rushed late, Wandering Son merged episodes near the end, Kuragehime's ending was a hackjob and Shiki was way too slow at the start.) It's getting to the point things that the noitaminA slot have to fit that 11 episode format or else. I just don't see why, because it doesn't seem to accomodate what they're doing in a lot of cases. If they need to do 12 or 13, is that really so bad? Wish I could see whether it's a budgeting issue or something similar, because it's beginning to irritate me how many shows are suffering from not being worked into their assigned length properly. Anime no Chikara was another timeslot that had those problems (well, anything from that timeslot did).
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2011-04-14, 11:36 | Link #79 |
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I don't like the 11-episode format, for the same reason that I don't like the 12 or 13-episode format. Most series would be better with two cour - there was a time not that long ago that most series were. If it's harder to tell a good story in 13, then 11 is that much worse. It's clearly evident in shows like Kuragehime, Hourou Musuko (though that show did the best job it possibly could) and Fractale that 11 episodes limits what a series can accomplish.
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I Agree with you about Kuragehime, though it probably would have needed another cour to reach a sensible conclusion so I’m not convinced one or two episodes would have helped.
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