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mayumi · 2012-04-16, 10:17

well zessica is with amata on screw fate mission so she becomes the new celiane. after all they did say the ending consisted of past elements but also future ones as well. perhaps in this reverse world celiane does not end up with anyone and i am fine with it.

Krysa · 2012-04-16, 12:43

I have a crazy theory regarding the reincarnation shenanigans.

Kagura = Apollo
Mikono = Touma
Zessica/ShuShu = Sylvia
Amata = either just a new character in the legend or the Wings of the Sun reincarnated

Let me explain. Touma has reason to seek forgiveness from Apollo for all the things he did in the past, which would explain Mikono's desire to apologize to Kagura. This would also explain Mikono's familiarity with Kagura and why she seems to recognize Touma in the vision of the past.

Now, ShuShu would be part of Sylvia, and is in fact the smell that Kagura is chasing (ShuShu's smell would probably be all over Mikono as well). Sylvia is helping Touma to gain forgiveness and closure from the past; since she connected with him at the end of the OS, she gained understanding of him and wants to help him find peace and let him move on. The other part of Sylvia is Zessica, which would explain her connection to the visions and everything. Also, she has the same colouring as ShuShu. They have the same colour eyes, and Zessica's green hair matches ShuShu's green ear tips.

Amata is most likely not the reincarnation of Apollo, however he does have the power of the Wings of the Sun.

This will lead to one big ultimate troll, where Zessica will end up with Kagura somehow (maybe at some point ShuShu and her will merge or something lol) and Mikono will actually end up with Amata, no fighting of destiny required.

Does this theory have a lot of holes in it? Yes. Do I believe it to be true? Not all that much, but it would be funny all the same

mixordia · 2012-04-16, 13:03

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Originally Posted by Krysa

I have a crazy theory regarding the reincarnation shenanigans.

Kagura = Apollo
Mikono = Touma
Zessica/ShuShu = Sylvia
Amata = either just a new character in the legend or the Wings of the Sun reincarnated

Let me explain. Touma has reason to seek forgiveness from Apollo for all the things he did in the past, which would explain Mikono's desire to apologize to Kagura. This would also explain Mikono's familiarity with Kagura and why she seems to recognize Touma in the vision of the past.

Now, ShuShu would be part of Sylvia, and is in fact the smell that Kagura is chasing (ShuShu's smell would probably be all over Mikono as well). Sylvia is helping Touma to gain forgiveness and closure from the past; since she connected with him at the end of the OS, she gained understanding of him and wants to help him find peace and let him move on. The other part of Sylvia is Zessica, which would explain her connection to the visions and everything. Also, she has the same colouring as ShuShu. They have the same colour eyes, and Zessica's green hair matches ShuShu's green ear tips.

Amata is most likely not the reincarnation of Apollo, however he does have the power of the Wings of the Sun.

This will lead to one big ultimate troll, where Zessica will end up with Kagura somehow (maybe at some point ShuShu and her will merge or something lol) and Mikono will actually end up with Amata, no fighting of destiny required.

Does this theory have a lot of holes in it? Yes. Do I believe it to be true? Not all that much, but it would be funny all the same

LOL

Spoiler for Shushu:

Zuul · 2012-04-16, 15:11

The ones who resonated together are Zessica and Mikono (delicious yuri).

It all start with Zessica's confession and went mugen punch when Mikono turned into jelly mode.

My interpretation.

ReddyRedWolf · 2012-04-17, 02:38

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Originally Posted by mixordia

LOL

Spoiler for Shushu:

Dammit I was hoping Crea is Rena! Angel dog->Vampire->Cat?

Well here is something interesting re-watching the Aquarion OVA. Silvia said whoever Rena sent them to find can't be the reincarnation of Apollo. How did she know about Apolo before meeting his present incarnation?

The implication is that not only were Aquarion series universe Apollo, Silvia and Reika were reincarnations of Apollonius, Celiane and Scorpius but reincarnations of OVA Apollo, Silvia and Reika.

So reincarnating in another universe is possible. Merging with their alternate universe selves.

Now where does lead us? Mikono sees the reflection of Amata in Kagura and Kagura's reflection in Amata. I'm going to guess both are alternate universe versions of each other. Both are Apollo and Apollonius.

Vena · 2012-04-17, 08:45

So... who else caught the utterly self-defeating thought processes of some of our characters this episode? The whole battle was rather symbolically rich:

Cayenne: Destiny
(Malloy and Sazanka: Ruination and Decay)

Mikono to Amata: Just for now, run away!
Zessica to Amata: Turn around and fight, otherwise you'll never win!

Its self-defeating for Zessica if Amata turns around and fights Cayenne (representing fate) because that means that she will lose. Which is, later, lampshaded by her support of Amata's desire to fight destiny. In Mikono's case, honestly, I think its continuing to run on some level of self-delusion and an attempt to avoid the question of destiny. Though, I could be wrong with my interpretation.

kuromitsu · 2012-04-17, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Vena

Mikono to Amata: Just for now, run away!
Zessica to Amata: Turn around and fight, otherwise you'll never win!

Amata to both: Just shut up for a moment!

miketyson · 2012-04-17, 09:02

Credit to Mikono for sticking up for Amata (even if perhaps she shouldn't be at that particular point).

But, Vena: IMHO the difficulty with Mikono is that her motivations and goals are almost entirely opaque; we only know some of her issues, but not what she's trying to do. Contrast with Amata and Zessica, for both of whom we do know their current goals.

Open question: if Amata had a credible plan for the him and Mikono to run away that: (a) would actually work and (b) would put the two of them out of harm's reach (including Kagura's), do you think she'd say agree to go? Also, same question with Kagura and Amata swapped?

Spoiler for My Take:

Golos · 2012-04-17, 09:04

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Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Amata to both: Just shut up for a moment!

Hidden meaning: Amata will create his own destiny.

Vena · 2012-04-17, 09:08

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Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Amata to both: Just shut up for a moment!

Well, Zessica's talk with him does go on past that.

Like I said in the episode thread, what she did was selflessly-selfish but totally self-defeating.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-04-17, 09:11

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Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Amata to both: Just shut up for a moment!

"If you two don't start behaving I'll turn this Aquarion around !"

Triple_R · 2012-04-17, 12:29

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Originally Posted by Vena

Well, Zessica's talk with him does go on past that.

Like I said in the episode thread, what she did was selflessly-selfish but totally self-defeating.

I get your point on Zessica, and it was beautifully and poignantly stated to your credit.

But I think it's a case where her heart's desire clashes nastily with her core philosophy.

It's easy to forget this, but Zessica's key character trait starting out was being very non-conformist and having a bit of a rebellious streak in her. We saw this a lot in her conflicts with Mix in the first few episodes.

So I can see Zessica chaffing under the thought of a guy she likes/loves 'giving in' to fate. It's also possible that she simply hasn't intellectually worked it out yet that if Amata gives in to fate, that may actually benefit her directly. But even if she has worked that out, I can still see it being hard for her to cast aside her core philosophy by encouraging Amata to just accept his fate.

HimeaSaito · 2012-04-17, 14:03

Anyone has a summary on ep. 17????

Maybe Altair and Vega has their own legend from Apollo and Slivia?? The one Kagura speak about Apollon and Sylvie is the legend from Altair. The Vega legend is the true story of Apollo and Slivia is the image they saw with Mugen dimensional punch from the tv series/OVA. Kagura and Amata are the same person but different alternate world. Vega and Altair are the same world but opposite coin???

LastOrder · 2012-04-17, 15:26

I would find it hilarious, if this were to happen

Spoiler for Should this happen:

Trololololol Kawamori.

Imagine all that rage.

Winged_Memories · 2012-04-17, 16:05

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Originally Posted by LastOrder

I would find it hilarious, if this were to happen

Spoiler for Should this happen:

Trololololol Kawamori.

Imagine all that rage.

Well I'm not sure if anyone has posted this before but could Amata's fate defying issue be more along the line's of 'being separated from the one you love'? I mean Apollonius/Apollo and Celiane/Silvia were always somehow separated. Yes they were destined to meet, and yes they were destined to fall in love but were fated to be separated (woah! it rhymes!! XD)...Obviously he has abandonment issues but that's because he's never been able to live his life fully with the person/people he loves (in his past...if he is Apollonius/Apollo...his present and hopefully not his future)...I mean maybe it's not about defying fate to be the one Mikono loves and blah blah, but rather defy fate so that they should not have to ever separate from each other again.

kuromitsu · 2012-04-17, 16:07

Frankly, I'm just amused that everyone is so certain that Kagura and Mykono are the reincarnations of Apollon and Sylphie, while they call Kawamori and Okada trolls on other aspects.

People come up with theories, become overly invested in them, then comes the RAEG and accusations of trolling when things don't turn out the way they expected. We already know there's going to be a big twist about Sylphie's reincarnation. (OR IS THERE?! trolololo) We know how reincarnation hijinks turned out last time. Why do people expect anything less from Evol?

cyberdemon · 2012-04-17, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by LastOrder

I would find it hilarious, if this were to happen

Spoiler for Should this happen:

Trololololol Kawamori.

Imagine all that rage.

there's a good chance actually. Episode 16 showed that Kagura's "memories" aren't right. In them they used Apollon and Silvie. Episode 16 shows once and for all that they are in fact Apollo and Silvia. He's have "memories" of a movie, not legit memories like Silvia had in the first series. His memories are wrong which leads more towards the theories that he ISN'T Apollo.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-04-17, 17:00

A new idea popped into my head recently... What are the odds that nobody is Apollo's reincarnation, and he's still down there holding the planet together

?

cyberdemon · 2012-04-17, 17:05

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

A new idea popped into my head recently... What are the odds that nobody is Apollo's reincarnation, and he's still down there holding the planet together

?

Only thing down there would be his bones. Toma might but not Apollo.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-04-17, 17:25

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Originally Posted by cyberdemon

Only thing down there would be his bones. Toma might but not Apollo.

You never know... Maybe there's something like 'His spirit still lives in there'

!

2012-04-17, 08:45	Link #446
Vena Carpe Diem Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: \|\|At the edge of finality.\|\| Age: 34	So... who else caught the utterly self-defeating thought processes of some of our characters this episode? The whole battle was rather symbolically rich: Cayenne: Destiny (Malloy and Sazanka: Ruination and Decay) Mikono to Amata: Just for now, run away! Zessica to Amata: Turn around and fight, otherwise you'll never win! Its self-defeating for Zessica if Amata turns around and fights Cayenne (representing fate) because that means that she will lose. Which is, later, lampshaded by her support of Amata's desire to fight destiny. In Mikono's case, honestly, I think its continuing to run on some level of self-delusion and an attempt to avoid the question of destiny. Though, I could be wrong with my interpretation. __________________

2012-04-17, 09:02	Link #448
miketyson Senior Member Join Date: May 2011	Credit to Mikono for sticking up for Amata (even if perhaps she shouldn't be at that particular point). But, Vena: IMHO the difficulty with Mikono is that her motivations and goals are almost entirely opaque; we only know some of her issues, but not what she's trying to do. Contrast with Amata and Zessica, for both of whom we do know their current goals. Open question: if Amata had a credible plan for the him and Mikono to run away that: (a) would actually work and (b) would put the two of them out of harm's reach (including Kagura's), do you think she'd say agree to go? Also, same question with Kagura and Amata swapped? Spoiler for My Take: Yes, to both.

2012-04-17, 15:26	Link #454
LastOrder Om nom nom nom Artist Join Date: May 2008 Location: In a pinepple, under the sea Age: 32	I would find it hilarious, if this were to happen Spoiler for Should this happen: The fact that some are sure Amata istrying to overcome destiny/fate but in the end Kawamori was only playing a trick on all of the fans into thinking that Amata isn’t destined for anything. But in the end, we find out that Amata was indeed destined for something, and we find out that Kagura wasn't, and the real Apollo was Amata all along. Trololololol Kawamori. Imagine all that rage.

2012-04-17, 17:00	Link #458
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	A new idea popped into my head recently... What are the odds that nobody is Apollo's reincarnation, and he's still down there holding the planet together ? __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2012-04-16, 10:17	Link #441
mayumi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	well zessica is with amata on screw fate mission so she becomes the new celiane. after all they did say the ending consisted of past elements but also future ones as well. perhaps in this reverse world celiane does not end up with anyone and i am fine with it.

2012-04-16, 12:43	Link #442
Krysa Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	I have a crazy theory regarding the reincarnation shenanigans. Kagura = Apollo Mikono = Touma Zessica/ShuShu = Sylvia Amata = either just a new character in the legend or the Wings of the Sun reincarnated Let me explain. Touma has reason to seek forgiveness from Apollo for all the things he did in the past, which would explain Mikono's desire to apologize to Kagura. This would also explain Mikono's familiarity with Kagura and why she seems to recognize Touma in the vision of the past. Now, ShuShu would be part of Sylvia, and is in fact the smell that Kagura is chasing (ShuShu's smell would probably be all over Mikono as well). Sylvia is helping Touma to gain forgiveness and closure from the past; since she connected with him at the end of the OS, she gained understanding of him and wants to help him find peace and let him move on. The other part of Sylvia is Zessica, which would explain her connection to the visions and everything. Also, she has the same colouring as ShuShu. They have the same colour eyes, and Zessica's green hair matches ShuShu's green ear tips. Amata is most likely not the reincarnation of Apollo, however he does have the power of the Wings of the Sun. This will lead to one big ultimate troll, where Zessica will end up with Kagura somehow (maybe at some point ShuShu and her will merge or something lol) and Mikono will actually end up with Amata, no fighting of destiny required. Does this theory have a lot of holes in it? Yes. Do I believe it to be true? Not all that much, but it would be funny all the same

2012-04-16, 15:11	Link #444
Zuul Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012	The ones who resonated together are Zessica and Mikono (delicious yuri). It all start with Zessica's confession and went mugen punch when Mikono turned into jelly mode. My interpretation.

2012-04-17, 14:03	Link #453
HimeaSaito Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: California	Anyone has a summary on ep. 17???? Maybe Altair and Vega has their own legend from Apollo and Slivia?? The one Kagura speak about Apollon and Sylvie is the legend from Altair. The Vega legend is the true story of Apollo and Slivia is the image they saw with Mugen dimensional punch from the tv series/OVA. Kagura and Amata are the same person but different alternate world. Vega and Altair are the same world but opposite coin???

2012-04-17, 16:07	Link #456
kuromitsu Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004	Frankly, I'm just amused that everyone is so certain that Kagura and Mykono are the reincarnations of Apollon and Sylphie, while they call Kawamori and Okada trolls on other aspects. People come up with theories, become overly invested in them, then comes the RAEG and accusations of trolling when things don't turn out the way they expected. We already know there's going to be a big twist about Sylphie's reincarnation. (OR IS THERE?! trolololo) We know how reincarnation hijinks turned out last time. Why do people expect anything less from Evol?