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That's like the best excuse ever for any militarist officer who takes over to declare all out revenge on the West and attempt to rampage down south the border. Sure it will end with the DPRK ceasing to exist but what you get in the end? A bloodbath...unless that's what you were aiming for from the get go of course. It's like saying Iran's nuclear facilities and leaderships can be decapitated in one strike....not happening. And if you go to that extent....might as well just invade anyway.
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2013-02-12, 23:57 | Link #26442 | ||
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What you're describing would not be a police force, but rather just a gang with fancy uniforms. |
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2013-02-13, 00:47 | Link #26446 | |
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convention rules. As it is, terrorists don't wear uniforms, and don't (overtly) work for a nation-state. Though they are covertly supported by nations like Iran & Pakistan, who want to wage war deniably against other countries in order to avoid retaliation. This puts terrorists in a nether region between criminals and soldiers. Since terrorists are neither fish nor fowl, coming up with a legal framework for dealing with them has been a rather knotty problem. So administrations from both parties have simply decided: "If they serve no country and follow no rules, then screw'em. We'll do as we please with them whenever/wherever we find them." And that is how we got to where we are today. "when you endorse the application of a radical state power because the specific target happens to be someone you dislike and think deserves it, you're necessarily institutionalizing that power in general. That's why political leaders, when they want to seize extremist powers or abridge core liberties, always choose in the first instance to target the most marginalized figures: because they know many people will acquiesce not because they support that power in theory but because they hate the person targeted. But if you cheer when that power is first invoked based on that mentality - I'm glad Obama assassinated Awlaki without charges because he was a Bad Man! - then you lose the ability to object when the power is used in the future in ways you dislike (or by leaders you distrust), because you've let it become institutionalized." See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...bama-kill-list |
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2013-02-13, 01:13 | Link #26447 |
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The LAPD has a wretched reputation compared to any other major city's police force. They really are considered simply a gang with fancier guns, uniforms, and weapons by many citizens. As Ithrekro has pointted out, a lot of this stems from the utter disconnection between the force and the population thanks to the lack of walking beats, the lack of community policing, etc.
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2013-02-13, 03:26 | Link #26448 | |
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I thought I was one of those boys who don't turn to men post-conscription and still remain as a softie who grumbles and pouts, apparently these ones are worse. Trash talking the croupiers, behaving in an arrogant way when they are denied further alcohol, and attempting to attack security, then sobbing away when their old man couldn't negotiate with the CSO not to hand them over to the police for throwing cards/chips at a female staff and cutting her face. Makes me want to smack them over their heads - didn't the army teach those boys something called humility? With that attitude any junior counterintelligence officer could easily flip them or be pissed off enough to put a round between their eyes should they get captured.
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2013-02-13, 03:34 | Link #26449 |
今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている
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They still have a solid core of professionals..besides...our own reservists don't behave too well either but some do have competency in the field.
When invading DPRK, strategy is going to count for more anyway. Attrition battle is the last thing you want. And the PRC won't be interfering militarily this time since they want to look good
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2013-02-13, 03:47 | Link #26450 | |
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That most likely does not apply for the quick-reaction/special operations units. The 707th SMB (and probably AISU/ROKNSeals because there are some in different BDU) does cross training with our SOs and they are pretty badass, the only problem being that they suck at speaking English so much that a suit from the ROK Embassy has to accompany them as a translator (I don't think I need to tell you about the mud on whatever he is wearing). A fight between the North and South would probably start off with guerilla warfare, and NK's special operations soldiers outnumber the South massively. Although surgical operations only cripple, the lack of a powerful follow-up despite effective sabotage may turn the war into a stalemate instead of a runover by either side. P.S I think our reservists might actually fight better than the regulars should there be a conflict. They may be unfit, overweight and unmotivated, but when push comes to shove they certainly have that attitude to fight.
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2013-02-13, 04:44 | Link #26452 | |
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The 707th are very professional - there is a tale about how a team of 4 managed to get to a rendevous point 12 hours earlier than their foreign counterparts in a training exercise in US. Since the operation involves crossing over an area including open field manned by the US Army Rangers or Airborne. A couple of British snipers hiding nearby vouched for the Koreans, so they were asked, "How do you get here so fast?" They answered in broken English, "We go grass area.", meaning that they crossed the open field undetected, in the middle of the afternoon. The only mistake they made was not detecting the 2 snipers (talk about British humour). If there is an outbreak of violence, I don't think I want to be a North Korean guerilla even though I may get to smack those South-Korean brats around.
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2013-02-13, 05:01 | Link #26453 |
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The ROKMC were the troops the US Navy used in Vietnam to cover their flanks. PBR crews never worried about those flanks as the ROKMC were paid per kill even though the US forces did give them ammo on the side (to make sure they could make those kills to get paid).
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2013-02-13, 05:24 | Link #26454 | |
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I think that the ROKMC functions more like the British RMC as a quick-reaction force, than the actual Marines of the Russian and American armies which are expeditionary (politically correct term for invasion) force, I could be wrong because they have tank battalions for "wall smashing" operations.
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2013-02-13, 05:24 | Link #26455 |
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Put it this way, you can be completely unfit and have no particular physical strength and excel at shooting, which is unlike every other Olympic Sport. For instance, one of the Olympic Shooters was 8 months pregnant, which I don't think would be possible in any other sport.
Not saying it doesn't require skill. But having Shooting in the Olympics would be like having Chess or Auto-racing in it, sports that undoubtedly require skill, but are not particularly athletic. |
2013-02-13, 05:30 | Link #26456 | |
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If you want to talk about air rifles with mitigated recoil, heartrate still counts. So does focus, concentration, increased blood pressure........I think a basic sniper selection test serves a better understanding than an air rifle training programme.
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2013-02-13, 05:37 | Link #26457 | |
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I would never have a hope of doing well in any Olympic Sport (due to being tremendously unfit), but with a lot of practice, I could do well in Shooting. My lack of any physical ability would not set me back. Sense of timing and self control is not the same as, say, the physical strength to throw a javelin. EDIT: It's also not particularly great to watch. Certainly, between shooting and wrestling, I'd choose wrestling. |
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2013-02-13, 06:48 | Link #26458 | |
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2013-02-13, 07:37 | Link #26459 | |
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I feel equestrian, sailing and shooting (as opposed to archery) have no place at the Olympics as they are not self propelled, same argument as motorization used to disqualify auto-racing by the IOC. Soccer is a difficult one as the men's game is a bad joke, but for the development for the women's game it provides a major stage. It's also an important source of revenue for the Olympics. Golf...just no. |
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