Infinite Stratos Character Creation and Fanfiction Discussion

[demino_hellsin]

@eras: Well, as was once said "I shot an arrow into the air. Where it falls? I do not care.". Also, bluntness is all I offer in an argument. I don't like to sugarcoat things as it becomes more confusing.

Is this situation volatile enough?

dining room:

Ichika: nervous

Chifuyu: very annoyed

Natasha: Happy for the free meal

Clarissa: practically banging the table for food. Despite having a bandaged head.

Maya: still in mourning over her "eligibility as a bride".

Tabane: half-busy with her hologram screens. Probably miraculous considering the extensive bandages that wrapped around her.

[Eratas123]

Being blunt is different from being an ass, but fine. I'll be blunt as well from now on since you prefer it. God knows I've been holding back for a while now.

And no, that's not volatile really. 4/6 people aren't really twitchy.

[demino_hellsin]

@eras: explains why I only understand the tail ends of our debates for the most part.

dining room:

Ichika: nervous

Chifuyu: very annoyed, particularly murderous with Tabane while scowling at Natasha's carefree mooching.

Natasha: Happy for the free meal

Clarissa: practically banging the table for food. Despite having a bandaged head. Saying that food is good after some rigorous activities and a bath.

Maya: still in mourning over her "eligibility as a bride".

Tabane: half-busy with her hologram screens. Probably miraculous considering the extensive bandages that wrapped around her. Though these screens contain some rather "sensitive" information that she can't help but giggle at.

[greedyspectator]

@Demi:
Sorry, but I have to back up Eratas on this. As much as I disagree with him, his arguments do not attack the person he's arguing with (wait, Eratas is a guy, right? Sorry, I can't approximate gender in the internet). Your arguments, however, do not attack his morality or his arguments, but attack him directly. There is a big difference in calling with his moral calculus unworkable and calling him naive. The former is a perfectly fine argument, provided you can back that up, the latter is called Character Assassination, a type of logical fallacy.

Besides, Eratas isn't naive. He simply has different utility preferences. He assigns high utility in not killing someone, perfectly reasonable. I assign high utility in obeying 'thou shall not kill' to the greatest extent I can (again, if more victims will die if I don't kill someone, I'll take the shot and kill, simply because if I don't, the blood of those victims are on me). You assign high utility in... whatever you believe in (sorry, I did not see a lot of arguments coming from you, aside from a poorly executed Character Assassination, no offense). We all have different utility preferences.

Anyway, no, that's not volatile enough. You can NEVER have enough volatility in comedy.

[StratoSpear]

Say... is it possible to have an IS transform into a flight unit for its standby mode? Super robot shenanigans just hit me so I had to ask.

[Eratas123]

Add Maya shaking Chifuyu's shoulder's while crying to add more physical entertainment Oh, and add Ichika trying to play peacekeeper.

@ Stratos - Aren't the standby forms just accessories?

[demino_hellsin]

@eras: It would be funny seeing Maya troubling Chifuyu with her "maiden" issues.

@greedy: I'm not really trying to make one see things my way. So I don't make much argument. However I just give my version of what would happen if it were me.

However if you wish to hear my reasoning for my version of things then here.

The basic premise of the issue before hand was killing the person and taking his organs would be morally acceptable. I answered in a way which states that there is no morality in such cases. It is more for a case of practicality than anything. If you find necessity in that moment, a sense of danger, dread, endangerment, feel free to kill him. Should he pose no threat or merely make you feel uneasy about killing him, then let him go. Organ collection on the other hand is actually feasible only if there really is a person who needs it on hand. It would be a move that is both macabre and pointless should you decide to pull his innards for storage. At best, the technologies can only keep it fresh for a week, and even then its already at the limit of spoilage.

EDIT: as for "character assassination". I'm not forcefully degrading anyone. I call'em like I see'em. I'm a jack-ass who probably has no worth in the world with probably no one caring if I dropped dead somewhere in a ditch. I'm a coward, who will try to fight but am too weak to do so. My priorities are wierd as they stray from normal people at times then reconverge somewhere. Still, doesn't change what I see.

[Eratas123]

@ Demi - The problem isn't that we didn't get it, it's the way you say it. There's a difference between "Your argument's stupid" between "You're stupid for believing that.". Me and my friend were discussing Saw one with me as Anti-Jigsaw and her as Pro-Jigsaw. We argued for over an hour, but not once did we take it to the point where we attacked each other directly just because we believed differently. What's you're doing is calling the person naive for believing something rather than picking apart his argument.

Anyway, to make this clear: I'm all for killing when I have to and inself-defense, but not when a person is no longer a threat or danger to anyone. Here's an example: In fallout, you had to decide between running away to preserve a tribe's innocence but leave them vulnerable since they'll never learn self defense or kill your attackers to teach them but make them more warlike. I chose the second option since running away will never work forever. Killing is regrettable, but it doesn't mean you can't show mercy and only do it when necessary.

[StratoSpear]

Originally Posted by Eratas123

@ Stratos - Aren't the standby forms just accessories?

No, not really. Those are Closed forms from what I understand.

Standby is more like the IS is... I dunno, "folded" I guess? I just thought it would be cool to have an IS be a subflight unit in Standby mode while the pilot rides it.

When it comes to using the IS, the pilot jumps off while the subflight unit transforms into an IS where the pilot just slips into the unit.

[greedyspectator]

@Demi
I'm pretty sure the conditions are not self defensive. We're assuming the organ collector could not attack back at this moment. I also added the clause/ premise of sufficiently advanced technology to preserve his organs. There are three choices at hand here. I will offer my analyses for all three.

> Kill the guy because he's evil and society becomes better off without him.
> Kill the guy and harvest his organs to save someone else.
> Spare the guy.

The problem with 1 is that if you kill the guy but don't harvest his organs to save someone else, you have murdered that someone else. It's the same way that you have two buttons in front of you, one saves the life of a terminally ill person while the other does nothing. If you choose the button that does nothing, you have murdered the terminally ill person because you could have saved him by choosing the other option. Again, batman-joker reference.

The problem with 3 is that by sparing the person, you will allow him to continue murdering others. It would be the same as if you were murdering those people, since you could have saved them by just killing the person.

With 2, you directly saved a life by killing the organ-harvester's. You also saved a lot of lives by making him unable to harm his future victims. Therefore, in my opinion, choice 2 obeys 'thou shall not kill' in the greatest extent possible.

Going to sleep now. Good night.

[demino_hellsin]

IS in standby are IS that are realized but inactive. So if it starts acting on its own... that's not standby anymore.

1. I don't really care if he's evil. If I just can't forgive him, then I will kill him.

2. Save another life? a one in a million chance and you expect me to see that far ahead to save that person's life. Unless I know someone in immediate need, I won't do such a thing. Doing things like that isn't trying to be hero, it's just trying to be god.

3. If I don't feel like killing him, then fine. Should he cross me, then I will judge him again.

[ZeroXSEED]

Len: "Yet another fangirl? Give me a break!"

Oookay, I'm on fire and ready for another draft.

Spoiler for Onsen:

The sound of soft material smacking into each other filled the underground facility of the male side of the dorm. It was Dan and Len, who currently fought each other in a match of kick boxing, though they posses different style.

Almost everyone else is having a workout themselves, such as Saruyama trained his monkey-like agility with gymnastic, or Ichika who chose balanced composite training regiment issued by Sasuga-sensei.

Charles feel that today's training is enough, since there's no I.S. involved activity, and is very close to dinner time. So he chose to use the time left for personal hygiene.

Alas, it seems that the shower on his room is clogged.

"Just when I think it couldn't get any worse" he sighed.

Yesterday, he almost caught red handed in executing his mission in obtaining ByakuShiki's data, though he managed to slip out. Sometimes he is not confident about his ability to do a covert espionage mission but...

It was for the sake of his father.

He headed to communal bathroom, where a fairly decent-sized pool exist, though far cry compared the one on the surface, he glad he could use this one pretty much as much as he wanted.

If compared, the money put on the facility for be used by the male student and staff is almost doubled, compared to their female counterpart.

This does makes sense somewhat, seeing as the proportional comparison between male and female is 1:14, and actual male dorm facility is located underground, which bring all sort of complication and redundancy.

'He' sighed and began to undress, seeing the pair of sizable assets hidden under a tight binding. It wasn't 100% effective, and as expected, it was very uncomfortable to use, but it was necessary.

He cannot let everyone else knew that he was actually a she, and is not Charles, but Charlotte Dunois.

The real Charles Dunois is not here. Yet.

"I'll come back and save you, Charlotte!!" was his last word before they're separated forcibly. It was a precious promise she held tightly during those two years of hardship living with her father, and the rest of her family.

Family in blood only and nothing else.

Carefully, she locked the door, knowing that there's always a chance someone entering without knocking (knowing the habits of the boys, true). She began to feel the moisture as she entered the hot water.

She however, think something is off...

She was careless, not checking for people's presence NON-visually.

Someone is here already.

Since everyone else were in the gym, there's only two other people who had free access to this facility, namely, Tsuda-sensei and Reed 'Rito' Yuuki.

And God helps, she saw that bundle of messy red hair, with the water almost touching his nose. Rito was sleeping, extremely silent and stealthy, that even Charlotte failed to notice. His presence was pretty much zero for most people, and even for her, it's extremely faint.

One single wrong move, and the scenario went like; he choked out of water and turned awake.

And Murphy is really Son of a Bitch. He blinked, and as his eyes turned gold, he realized who is there, beyond the thick, obscuring steam, he could see clearly.

"Charles..."

Charlotte move at a burst of pace that any normal human would be unable to react accordingly, adrenaline and survival instinct kicked in, she was losing control on her own movement in fact.

All she wanted is to silence him.

And once again, Murphy has announced the law. Rito was by no means normal, though he's largely human. Mostly, he had greater access at controlling his own limit than normal human do.

And since both of them are Cadet Rep, anyone can expect the clash would be a stale mate for quite amount of time until one of them gain an edge. It does seems that he got that advantage, but then....

He froze, as stiff as a rock, and as red as molten lava.

It's not until Charlotte managed to tackle him that she realized the cause,. His most obvious weakness, as in, crippling weak point, is close proximity with a member of opposite sex.

If said female is naked or nubile, then it's even worse.

Charlotte pick this situation for her advantage, even though she is embarrassed as hell "Listen, let's call this off, do not freak out... we'll solve this one, okay?"

He nodded silently, regaining his composure, both of them split and quickly assuming a defensive stance, taking a distance between each other, step by step.

And quickly reach for nearby object to cover their privates, it took twenty minutes after they're dressed that they can talk properly, face to face.

In case you wonder, yes, entire male dorm and it's accompanying facility are underground. To prevent trespasser

[Eratas123]

Okay, when did "Spare" immediately translate to "Let him get away with it"? Sending him to jail is sparing him, but that's not letting him get away with it. Where did the idea that sparing someone ultimately means letting him off scott free come from? If there's a way to stop him without killing him, then I'll take it. If there's none, then I'll kill him just to stop him. Spare doesn't equate to release.

@ Stratos - I don't think so. I think it'd be cool if it turned into a skateboard, but it's woo wishy washy.

[Eratas123]

@ Senpai - Wait, wait, who did Charlotte bump into?

[ZeroXSEED]

^ greedy has impression that every jail is made of cardboard, and every villain is Joker.

That was Rito

[demino_hellsin]

Let me breakdown the morality code thus far.

Greedy: completes the mission and goes beyond the call of duty.(lawful good)

me: impartial, just follow your gut/judgement(chaotic neutral)

Eras: do what must be done, but emphasis on non-lethality(lawful neutral/chaotic good?)


Older Harem:

Would it be weird if Ichika is more worried about dinner turning cold than the volatile bomb that is composed of the 5 women inside the dining room?

[Eratas123]

Welll.....it was certainly an interesting first meeting

Anyway, need advice: Should I make Irish not care about changing clothes in the same room as anyone or be paranoid about it? I can give reasons for both.

@ Demi - Well said

Anyway, no not really. Look at his monologues and you'll see he's very food minded.

[demino_hellsin]

old irish or new irish? cause this really depends. Paranoid fits the old Irish.

[Eratas123]

What do you mean Old and New? He's still mostly the same.

[ZeroXSEED]

I chalk it that Irish don't care if the person he's with is well trusted, and paranoid if that person isn't.

Len and Lingyin always try to 'kill' each other because of the slightest misunderstanding (and because both has DAMN HUGE ego). of course, that also led to inevitable UST....