2009-07-22, 16:59 | Link #83 |
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Yeah, it's like this...
watch out for spoilers. "This diary belongs to the Half-Blood Prince." "Ginny: Look, it's says here that this diary belongs to the Half-Blood Prince" 1 hour later "Snape: I am the Half-Blood Prince." The shock. The surprise. The insignificance.
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2009-07-23, 03:31 | Link #84 | |
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to add some up Dumbledore and Harry apparate from cave to hogwarts instantly? no... they apparated to the "three broomsticks" where they get on their brooms to reach the tower second where's Dumbledore's tomb dammit? it's suppose to be the most dramatic scene with fawks crying, singing, and burning...? another, Harry didn't reall drank all of the Felix Felicis to get Slughorn's memory? he didn't even drank half of it. they use it for the protection of the Dumbledore's Army, and where the hell is the magic battle between Hogwarts and the Death Eaters? why didn't Draco cast expelliarmus on Dumbledore? how will he be the master of the Elder wand if he didn't do that in this movie? wait that's a spoiler Harry was supposed to be wearing the invisibility cloak and was in a freeze charm by Dumbledore meh~ to people who didn't read the book, they'll say yeah this movie's great but I as a reader is dissappointed
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2009-07-23, 03:40 | Link #85 | |
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And I was disappointed by everything. Come on, even the pseudo jealousy was shitty (though the Harry/Hermione moment was kinda cute), they even failed at what people are calling "teen drama romance" The only thing I want to remember is the Tiny Voldemort. God the actor was perfect in this role, he seemed devious and yet innocent. Now maybe I'm disappointed because I was waiting too much of this movie (postponed, favorite book...) (Bleh even the revelation at the end came out of nowhere. (Just like Ginny and her role...) Honestly, that is the first time I'm bored in front of an HP) Goblet of Fire and Order of Phoenix forever~
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2009-07-23, 04:21 | Link #86 |
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Never watched any Harry potter's movie... Only read the first book a thousand of years ago(when harry potter was just "a book" not "FRIGGIN HARRY POTTER"), but i liked this one, even if i don't... Get a lot of the story, since i don't know what happened all that time...
But i loved that guy Snape. Man, he's AWESOME. Not just because he's the guy from Die Hard, but because he kicks ASS. And Hermione sure turned into a good looking woman... I thought the movie was kinda dark and grim, but it worked with the feeling of the story, which is not that tamed at all. In the end, i really liked... Even if i didn't knew almost anything about the Harry potter universe. It was a really enjoyable experience and an actually pretty good movie. The ending didn't touched me that much because... I didn't cared enough, i guess it wasn't the best movie to start seeing the series. I guess i'm going to watch the other ones to catch the story... Or read the books, since they're probably more complete and detailed. |
2009-07-23, 11:17 | Link #87 |
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I agree Goblet of fire is best...but many are saying this is still good...since most ppl have already read the book...they are saying half blood prince is as good as any others HP movie or can be considered even better....I think they are finding it refreshing to see somthing new from book itself... and I think the director is also thinking the same...since everyone had already read them why waste money following the same freaking script making a ditto copy....
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2009-07-23, 23:21 | Link #88 | |
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Who cares if Harry and Dumbledore went to the Three Broomsticks to get their brooms to go to the tower instead of apparating there? The point is that they went to the tower. Who cares if you didn't see Dumbledore's tomb? Fawks is a representation of Dumbledore, which is why we see him in that scene. That's what's important. But, oh, wait a minute, Fawks is present at the end of the film. Why spend another million dollars to create a set with Dumbledore's tomb rather than film the one meaningful event in that scene? Who cares how much of the potion Harry drank? The important part is that he looked at the memory. If you don't understand why Malfoy didn't cast Expelliarmus you weren't paying attention to his character for the whole film. And it doesn't matter if Harry was in a freeze charm, or stopped by Snape like he was in the film, the same conclusion occured: he couldn't do anything. I fail to see how anything you just listed would make you disappointed in this movie. |
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2009-07-23, 23:55 | Link #89 | |
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why not Dumbledore? Note: I've seen the movies, but I haven't read the books. |
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2009-07-24, 02:20 | Link #91 | |
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(Though....technically, Hermione never saw Dumbledore die...but I guess you meant dead )
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2009-07-24, 02:51 | Link #92 |
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I don't think it has much to do with seeing someone die or not. You just can't change the past. You can only go back in time to do the things that technically already happened that you didn't know about. It's sort of a predestination paradox.
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2009-07-24, 04:10 | Link #93 | |
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That being said, seeing someone dead doesn't really matter (or at least it matters less than you'd think). All you would need to do is polyjuice someone to look like Dumbledore, and then kill them, and voila (pun intended), a dead Dumbledore (this possibile use of the polyjuice was shown in the 4th book when Barty Crouch Jr.'s mother disguised herself as her son with polyjuice, and then when she died, she retained the form of her son). So, conceivably, seeing a dead body that looks like Dumbledore potentially does not matter (unless there is some strange metaphysical angle involved which prevents traveling in time to fake someone's death). What really matters is if you actually see someone die. True, the polyjuice angle still probably works (i.e. the person you saw die, could have been someone else disguised with polyjuice), but it hard to say if such an elaborate bending of time is possible, and it would definetly take several hours to pull off such a heist. The incident in question was not like the encounter between Past Harry and Future Harry in the Prisoner of Azkaban, in which Past-Harry could not see his benefactor, which allowed Future-Harry to help his past self. In this case, Harry knew the individual in question was Dumbledore, and all those present actually saw Dumbledore die. So, there was little leeway to actively use a time turner (even if they were not all broken) to save Dumbledore. That being said, Dumbledore wanted to die...which is learned about in the 7th book. |
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2009-07-24, 04:22 | Link #94 |
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The " the timer turners have all been destroyed" thing has always struck me as pretty hilarious. Basically, Rowling noticed that they had the potential to make the plot infinitely more complicated, so she decided to get rid of them before people started thinking too much. I can't say I blame her.
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2009-07-24, 11:18 | Link #95 |
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Time travel is *always* a plot device that will ruin a story under most circumstances if it is introduced casually. As soon as TNG (star trek) introduced "the time police from the future" they were screwed. Because absolutely every mistake can hypothetically be fixed or things changed and you'd never know it.
So yeah.. points to Rowling for clearing them out of the story asap.
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2009-07-24, 11:32 | Link #96 | |
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another to prevent falling damage. Then let him play out the scenario without the Death Eaters realizing it. Sort of like what happened with the Professor's "murder" by the terrorists in the first "Back To The Future" movie. |
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2009-07-24, 13:50 | Link #97 | |
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Harry put in the freeze charm was very important because that is why Dumbledore got disarmed in the books. He didn't trust Harry to stay in hiding and let him die, and I felt this was a very emotional scene in the sense that Harry couldn't even lift his hand to try and save him if he wanted it. The funeral scene is a matter of opinion I suppose, but I felt it was a lot more potent than the one they showed us. Dumbledore's character, btw, is portrayed really badly. He is consistently shown in the movieslosing his cool over certain things and making out of character comments like "This is far beyond anything I ever imagined!" When really, in the books it was just as expected to him. I don't think many of these things are minor details, but even when they are, it is irksome that they change certain things for no reason that actually benfits the film.
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Spoiler for Do not read unless you read the books. Big spoiler.:
I prefer the cool and collected Dumbledore.
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2009-07-24, 14:41 | Link #100 |
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Gambon's Dumbledore may be more realistic for some people's perception of what realistic characters act like, but in terms of adapting a story, it's a poor rendition of the book's character. Book-Dumbledore is a little bit mischievous, calm, collected, and confident. Gambon/Yates's version is nothing like this. He doesn't seem like the (second) most powerful wizard in the world.
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