2008-07-02, 09:25 | Link #21 |
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people are over exaggerating,
gonzo makes at least as many good shows as any other studio(and as opposed to most they also make GREAT series once in a while..), the only thing is that that they simply produce much more then most other studios. that, while not profitable for them, shouldn't matter for viewers.. anyway the fact that a series like rosario was the first to break the 5000 DVDs sale barrier in 4 years proves to me more then anything that it's simply that they were aiming for other crowds instead of the moe loving fans. i mean, think about it 4 years! Gankutsuou Red Garden Seto no Hanayome these are just 3 series most will agree that were great. and if non of them sold 5000 copies while rosario which was based on moe did it just shows what most anime fans want to watch. |
2008-07-02, 09:30 | Link #22 |
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That is rather unforgivable in my eyes. I mean SnH...the best comedy series I've seen loosing out to Rosario on the market. What an insult
It must be the bad reputation (which to this day I still don't understand why) because I know that they do produce gem series from time to time, yet those titles don't get the credit because of the studio it is from. Bah >.>
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Sunrise has at least as many series as Gonzo, as does Production I.G. and maybe Bones. Quote:
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The ratio's shared by most other studios, but crap from other studios isn't as well-known as Gonzo's crap for some reason. |
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2008-07-02, 10:15 | Link #24 | |
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it was based on 5 girls with 5 or so different moe elements.. I'd say thats pretty much based on moe..
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and as for the rest, thats like what? 3 studios? and thats just the thing, if you compare gonzo's good series in a given time period it will usually be about the same as those other studios good series, yet people say that gonzo is crap and the other studios aren't. thats why I'm saying people are over exaggerating. |
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2008-07-02, 10:24 | Link #25 | |
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While I won't belittle sunrise but they're not the best studio I've seen producing quality anime but their sales figures shows alot more evidence of fan's supporting a fad rather than the quality itself. As for the studio itself its quite comparable with other great studio's around there are plenty of examples of other studio produce mediocre anime, how many people here watch Gainax This Ugly Yet Beautiful World, Melody of Oblivion or He is my Master. For being a profilic studio in the industry alot of people seems to remember their mediocre anime more than their goods ones. |
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2008-07-02, 10:29 | Link #26 | |
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Anyway, total historical output is irrelevant. What matters is the RATE of output... Plus Toei has much lower production costs since it has its own studio in the Phillipeans where most of its animation is actually done.
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2008-07-02, 10:33 | Link #27 | |
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maybe people who buy series because they like the girls in them care more about actually having an original DVD while people who just like series as entertainment care less about such things and as a result are satisfied with simply pirating content..
I don't know, it just seems to me like the ratios are simply wrong.. while series that generate mild responses but are based on "selling the girls" are overselling series that get tons of responses but are based more on action/comedy.. Quote:
what i was asking was about how much of that can be considered good, or o.k.. |
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2008-07-02, 10:45 | Link #28 | |
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The amount of time you hear people discrediting a series because "it is by Gonzo" is rather dumb because, imo, series should be treated for what they are rather than the attachment it has. So yea, you are right...but unlike Sunrise (who specialise in Mecha) or Kyoani (who specialise in moe), Gonzo is pretty much a hybrid company who isn't doing so well compared to others.
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2008-07-02, 10:56 | Link #29 |
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as i said earlier i think it is because they were aiming for the American market and that backfired..
i guess it means that the R1 market cares less about actually having an original DVD then the R2 market.. that at least is the most probable thing to me as i see no other reasonable explanation.. |
2008-07-02, 11:01 | Link #30 | |
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Again I disagree, Gonzo can produce awesomely insane anime like Last Exile, Gankutsuou and Vandread. Gonzo being a hybrid studio might be true to an extent but the large majority of their profits come from overseas license and royalty received. With the declining fall in the demand for anime Dvd internationally it isn't any coincidence its happening. The state of the R1 industry can be seen through Genon, ADV films and BVUS. To a larger extent this is going to have a larger effect than people think, Their youtube/CR/AnimeBOST could be seen as a fail concept if they become insolvent/delisted. I dare to say we (us fans) won't be seeing anymore legal sub anime on youtube and tougher restriction will be place on anime/raw sharing. Beside that the industry will be more focus on producing more moe and fanservice to meet demands rather than producing anything of quality, let’s take kurenai for an example. Its first volume sales figure should be interesting but I have doubt it will top any fanservice anime. Again, are people really satisfy with having less anime to watch? I know a majority have a dislike for Gonzo but anime is a form of entertainment, you're allowed to freely choose what you watch and most of us here watch anime for "Free" fansubs ectera. |
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People don't compare Rosario to moe series, they compare them to Ichigo 100%, Girls Bravo, Kanokon, etc. Isn't this completely irrelevant? 3 studios of the uhh, 8 other well known studios that exist? That's a decent amount. Oh, and J.C. Staff probably has more productions than Gonzo. And when we consider that Brains-Base, ACGT, Seven Arcs, Nomad, and several other minor studios have each produced a popular anime or two, it's obvious that only studios that create enough and are well-known can gain a reputation in the first place. The only two studios that come to mind breaking this is SHAFT and KyoAni. Quote:
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I won't argue that they're not one of the more focused studios, but they certainly can't be brought up in discussions regarding popular series and studios, as IG has a smaller and more dedicated fanbase rather than the followers of Gundam, KyoAni, Pierrot, etc. And it's much more about the target audience of an anime than the actual quality of the anime itself. Haruhi and Code Geass are both relatively recent works from (now) well-known studios that topped charts because they were targeted at a wider audience. On the other hand, much of Gonzo's more recognised failures were also targeted at a wide audience, so more people watched them. Quote:
Though also keep in mind they have the widely popular Gintama and Code Geass is among the most popular series within the last decade. Quote:
However, Toei has much more crap than Gonzo, but a lot of their crap is not as well-known or is too old for people to care about. So as I said, creating popular crap is what gave Gonzo its reputation. Quote:
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Some part of me tells me that Full Metal Panic! probably sold/sells more DVD's than most of Gonzo's other stuff. As I said, every large studio has good stuff and crap, Gonzo's crap may or may not be more numerous than any other studio's, but what's true is that its crap is known by all. Or most. |
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Well Dragonaut is quite an interesting one, at a glance I thought only people who enjoyed large breast woman would be considering their main audience yet alot of people watches it. Quote:
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And the second point hits right on. Most of I.G.'s well-known work is in sci-fi, and it's not one of the better-selling genres in anime (except for mecha.) As such, I.G. is targeting a niche group in a niche market, which obviously isn't great for business. Quote:
That all of the seiyuu of the SOS Brigade appear in it must have had some sort of influence as well. Quote:
I can't comment because I personally don't really hold a bias against Gonzo (though I was sceptical to watch Druaga after having just seen Rosario), seeing as I've probably seen more good than bad series from them. If I watched a Gonzo anime and it turned out to be bad, I would say so, but I wouldn't say an anime is bad because it was from Gonzo. And to finally bring up a relevant example: Studio DEEN. They have stuff like Tsuiokuhen, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, Fruits Basket, and Maria-sama ga Miteru, but they've also released a lot of crap. However, series like Code-E, Shining Tears X Wind, and Yumeria aren't nearly as (in)famous as Dragonaut or Rosario. |
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2008-07-02, 12:10 | Link #34 | |
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For example, I'd point at Bokurano as a decent show they've done. Sure, they may have made a few changes that irked the manga followers, but I thought the series wrapped up rather decently. Red Garden was also very well-done even if it never got on many people's radars. So I'll take chances with them now and then just on the off chance of finding gold. Likewise, I'll criticize their works if I find it horrible like with Romeo x Juliet.
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2008-07-02, 13:10 | Link #35 | |
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Gonzo catered to their west, and even their best shows never went anywhere with Japanese audiences (despite large budgets and critical acclaim - Last Exile, Gankutsuou, etc.). With the western market on life support, Gonzo got hit the same way as the American distributors. That's why they make a lot of low budget shows now (and have shifted strategies to target otaku, although it may be too little too late). If the money doesn't flow in, they can't produce good anime. |
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2008-07-02, 14:57 | Link #36 |
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btw from what i heard being delisting doesn't mean that gonzo will die,
thou no one really explained so i'm not sure.. but i think that if they start making some otaku oriented animes AND their online distributions system catches on they should actually be in a pretty good state.. but thats a lot of ifs.. thou 9 months isn't that short either.. they btw just tightened their relation with some Japanese game company http://www.gdh.co.jp/english/news/20080530.html so that could help raise capital.. *edit* seeing this is dated from the 5th so it might not be relevent. */edit* btw it's kinda funny.. it would seem like there are lots of series that have split opinions.. its like everyone found gonzo animes they love, and hate most of the rest.. with some exceptions being last exile and ganktsuou, thou even they have some people that hate them.. for example bokurano was hated by tons of people, yet loved by others. and most of the people that liked bokurano hate RxJ, while those who love RxJ hate Bokurano.. same for NHK and to most other animes.. it seems like with most gonzo animes its either you love it or you hate it from the bottom of your soul, and if you like this then you probably hate that one... XD maybe gonzo's problem is that they are too many contradicting styles of anime XD |
2008-07-02, 21:16 | Link #37 |
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GONZO's Salvation: Underpants? ^_^
Since Rosario + Vampire is selling on DVD in Japan, take a look at the Strike Witches Panties Campaign:
http://s-witch.cute.or.jp/pants/index.html If panty shots make money for GONZO... Going by Oricon sales figures, GONZO's bestselling title on DVD in Japan appears to be Brave Story, an animated feature and family film which has sold at least 156,337 copies.
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I'm hoping these event won't be as dire as people make them out to be, the next best scenario Gonzo can still continue making anime but on a more tighter budget. In this day and age you're not going to receive anything if a company becomes insolvent, with gonzo recognition in the industry (not the circle of anime fans) I can see their creditors/investments giving them more time, that if the Australian law is the same as the one in japan. Quote:
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I've always view Production I.G as a company that creates outstanding anime but in effect received lower returns for their effort in general. There isn’t much difference with production I.G and other studio unless their main revenue isn’t earned from anime. |
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2008-07-02, 23:06 | Link #40 |
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For the Otaku market of today they just need more R+Vs and not any good titles.
As long as the Sakuga is okay and the Chara design is good (and fits archetypes) then they can drive costs as low as possible. Or better, create a subsidiary and chunk out anything Ero- as fast as possible. |
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