(L) Zankyou no Terror (Terror in Tokyo)

[Stark700]

I think all three of the characters (Five, Nine, and Twelfth) has some sort of innate ability; not necessarily supernatural but abnormal since Twelfth mentions about the color in the latest episode. I think those will come in handy in this "game" that Five has set up.

Also, it looks like Lisa is involved in this too.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Haak

The reasoning behind Nine and Twelve not releasing a video explaining that they're not involved with the bomb at the airport was pretty weak if I'm honest. Nine thinks the public simply won't believe them but the public is unlikely to have a consensus on this really. They could at least try and I don't see how it could harm them doing so. Even if it doesn't work, they could at least make sure some of the public avoid going to the airport.

Twelve and Nine knows that Five is insane and Nine knows that to Five that this is just a "game".
I wouldn't exactly risk what such a person would do if you don't play her "game" by her "rules"
At worst, Five could detonate the bomb immediately after Nine and Twelve uploaded a video

[Dop]

Originally Posted by Haak

The reasoning behind Nine and Twelve not releasing a video explaining that they're not involved with the bomb at the airport was pretty weak if I'm honest.

Not in the slightest. Do you seriously believe that people would take the word of two people already believed to have been behind major bombings when they say "This one isn't ours?" Are people going to take the word of two criminals on youtube above the police, the government, and the FBI? Plus the whole conspiracy behind the scenes working against them?
That would be pointless and a complete waste of time, as nobody would believe them.
Their only alternative is to rise to the bait knowing full well it's a trap but playing their wild card.

I did like the bit this episode where Shibazaki slopes off only to have the other cops realise what he's doing and join him.

[Wandering Soul]

5 continues playing her game with them and is now releasing riddles while pretending to be them. Now is a good opportunity for Lisa to shine since the 9 and 12 are trusting her and since 5 doesn't know her face this makes her a hidden asset for them. From the way the boys talk about 5 it seems like she actually chose to stay at the institution since they said she could have escaped easily back then. It also raises the question of if she just truly wants to play a game or if she has some sort of grudge.

I like Shibazaki's part as he is starting to get some respect from his fellow detectives. Some of them are willing to get in some serious trouble to help him.

[MCAL]

Five is definitely insane and it seems the show realizes that too...

[erdii]

Actually it is interesting a country allows fbi to get involved with their internal matters. Does fbi have that right. I think cia would suit more to this matter. Fbi is a internal investigation agency how can they go to another country and do investigation. Well I am not an American so I may be wrong

[Haak]

Originally Posted by hyl

Twelve and Nine knows that Five is insane and Nine knows that to Five that this is just a "game".
I wouldn't exactly risk what such a person would do if you don't play her "game" by her "rules"
At worst, Five could detonate the bomb immediately after Nine and Twelve uploaded a video

If that really was their reasoning then they would have said so.

But unfortunately that is a valid point you make and Five could indeed be that risky. I say unfortunately because this just further makes the whole thing less and less grounded. The FBI may be draconian as fuck but I find it awfully hard to believe they would actually threaten to blow up an airport in a developed country.

[EDIT]

Oh hold on a sec. They might do if they think they're going after nuclear terrorists...

Originally Posted by Dop

Not in the slightest. Do you seriously believe that people would take the word of two people already believed to have been behind major bombings when they say "This one isn't ours?"

Yeah I seriously do. I'm not partial to conspiracies due to Hanlons razor but sometimes conspiracies do exist and people do believe them (e.g Alexander Litvenenko). Hell people believe in crazy conspiracies full stop. And I'm not talking about random nutjobs. You'd be surprised what kind of stupid shit your neighbour or everyday colleagues believe in. Conspiracy theorists are actually more common than you might think.

Are people going to take the word of two criminals on youtube above the police, the government, and the FBI? Plus the whole conspiracy behind the scenes working against them?

Technically speaking Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning are criminals. Do I take their word over the police, FBI and the government? Yes, I do.

Would I take Nine and Twelve's word for it? That's harder to say. I did say I don't believe the FBI would do it, but that's in the real world. In this alternate reality I might. I'd most likely believe Nine and Twelve fucked up but it depends on a lot of factors most of which are fairly ambiguous in this show.

[DorkingtonPugsly]

Another excellent episode.

Nice touch that 12 has Synesthesia. To be specific he has Chromesthesia.

It was cool seeing the three groups traveling to the airport.

The track that started playing at 17:56 though, Yoko Kanno doing her job as usual! The second ost's gona be lush.

The english was pretty good except for Five's. But I guess if you look at it this way, that she's not a native and so she's got a thick accent, then I guess it's plausible...

[Jerseykid]

I hope Lisa saves the day!

[prototype_sky]

Originally Posted by Jerseykid

I hope Lisa saves the day!

It will be interesting if they can do something worthwhile with her character before this is over.

[Flower]

Ep 7

Hrm...this is the first ep in this series that sorta felt a bit...I dunno...disshevelled, somehow? Wish I could put my finger on it, but something felt a bit "off" in this ep, like an instrument that had not been completely tuned as it should, maybe?

Hopefully things will get back to normal soon, though, because when this series is "in tune" it is super engaging and well done.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Dop

Not in the slightest. Do you seriously believe that people would take the word of two people already believed to have been behind major bombings when they say "This one isn't ours?" Are people going to take the word of two criminals on youtube above the police, the government, and the FBI? Plus the whole conspiracy behind the scenes working against them?
That would be pointless and a complete waste of time, as nobody would believe them.
Their only alternative is to rise to the bait knowing full well it's a trap but playing their wild card.

I did like the bit this episode where Shibazaki slopes off only to have the other cops realise what he's doing and join him.

This wouldn't have been a waste of time at all. If they had released a video claiming the latest riddle was from a copycat (no need to mention it was from the FBI), where they solved that riddle and asked the police to evacuate the airport and defuse the bomb there, there is no reason anybody would have not taken them seriously. It's not a matter of having credibility or not, it's common sense to take everything terrorists say seriously. It doesn't matter whether people really believed the latest riddle wasn't theirs so long as they got the warning out there. This would have even forced the police's hand. If there had been any victim despite this warning, it would have been on them, not on Sphinx. It was that easy to counter Five's evil trap.

In the first place, people should have found it weird that no video was released this time (why the hell did not a single person bring that up?). Unlike, you know, the first five times. Taking that into account, I don't see why people wouldn't have believed what they had to say in a video that was undoubtedly from them, unlike a text message anybody could have sent. If they had released the video after the bomb exploded then of course nobody would have believed them. But before? Why would terrorists tell you where they have planted a bomb and ask the police's help to prevent casualties?

Their reasoning for not sending a video and instead diving head first into Five's trap was flimsy to say the least.

The whole thing with Five is just silly. How much power over the FBI does she have that they would allow her to plant bombs on foreign soil and kill hundreds of innocents? Let's not mention the "America is eviiiil" vibes I'm getting from this. And when her plan works and the terrorists do show up, instead of arresting them right away, they let her play airport chess with them. And to top it all off, they can't even get the chess right (knights don't move that way). This show has officially jumped the shark.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Kanon

This wouldn't have been a waste of time at all. If they had released a video claiming the latest riddle was from a copycat (no need to mention it was from the FBI), where they solved that riddle and asked the police to evacuate the airport and defuse the bomb there, there is no reason anybody would have not taken them seriously. It's not a matter of having credibility or not, it's common sense to take everything terrorists say seriously. It doesn't matter whether people really believed the latest riddle wasn't theirs so long as they got the warning out there. This would have even forced the police's hand. If there had been any victim despite this warning, it would have been on them, not on Sphinx. It was that easy to counter Five's evil trap.

Five, being batshit crazy, is just going to blow the place up if they don't play along.

Do you think anyone is going to believe it wasn't them if that happens, even if they release a video claiming it's a copycat? Especially when Five already sent the police an e-mail that contains info only they and the terrorists know?

It'll just get treated as another game they're playing. Classic boy who cries wolf scenario.

In the first place, people should have found it weird that no video was released this time (why the hell did not a single person bring that up?). Unlike, you know, the first five times.

Because serial criminals do exactly the same thing all the time, right?

[Allium]

Imo the show's trying a bit too hard to portray Five as Sphinx's main rival; I didn't like how convieniently Nine and Twelve ended up in her trap just to advance the plot towards a possible meeting with Five, and to make her appear smarter and more menacing. Perhaps in other shows it would work fine, but in a show like Zankyou, it's kinda over-the-top. One good thing about the airport chess game though, is that Lisa might have her chance to shine, and that's something I'm looking forward to since she's been out of the spotlight lately.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Five, being batshit crazy, is just going to blow the place up if they don't play along.

Do you think anyone is going to believe it wasn't them if that happens, even if they release a video claiming it's a copycat? Especially when Five already sent the police an e-mail that contains info only they and the terrorists know?

It'll just get treated as another game they're playing. Classic boy who cries wolf scenario.

Who cares if the place blows up? What's important is that nobody would have been at the airport because they would have warned them. When known terrorists tell you a bomb is going to blow up, you believe them. If they were afraid Five would blow the whole place immediately if they sent a warning, then they could have just told us that. Instead, their reason for not doing anything was "nobody would believe us anyway".

And yes, I do think some people would believe it wasn't them. After all, what would they have to gain pretending there is a fake around and warning everybody of the bomb, even going as far as enlisting the police's help? If we work under the assumption they're lying, it means they sent a riddle to the police and then immediately solved it ten minutes later, making the whole thing moot. It makes no sense whatsoever. It can't be called a game if you're the only one playing.

There is no proof the mail was from them. Need I remind you the whole case was leaked on the internet? Anybody could send a mail and pretend to be them. In fact, it wouldn't be all that surprising if that happened.

Because serial criminals do exactly the same thing all the time, right?

It's called a pattern. When criminals diverge from it, it's legitimate to at least wonder why.

[MK-95-]

The PTSD scenes get much more intense/disturbing with each episode. Whatever 5 did in the past really messed him up. Also, wow that chick's twisted. I didn't think she'd have been that twisted, I knew she'd have issues since she did come from the institute, but what I saw there exceeded my expectations.

Lol, 9 is tsun when it all boils down to it. XD He be like "naw" & after awhile, he be like "fine, you can come". Lisa's role in the story has finally begun taking shape. She's gonna probably be the key player in this airport incident.

Well then, Shibazaki's still keeping up with them intellectually & has even snuffed out that there's an imposter at work. Well done, I applaud you sir.

Seriously, how smart is that guy? Is he actually playing chess in his mind & working out the situation in the process? -_-

Anyhow, the plot thickens & the pace also got a bit faster, lets see where this goes.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Who cares if the place blows up? What's important is that nobody would have been at the airport because they would have warned them. When known terrorists tell you a bomb is going to blow up, you believe them.

Because Five would just sit there and let everyone casually stroll out before setting off the bomb, right?

And yes, I do think some people would believe it wasn't them. After all, what would they have to gain pretending there is a fake around and warning everybody of the bomb, even going as far as enlisting the police's help? If we work under the assumption they're lying, it means they sent a riddle to the police and then immediately solved it ten minutes later, making the whole thing moot. It makes no sense whatsoever. It can't be called a game if you're the only one playing.

To begin with, there's no sense in setting up bombs and giving the police a riddle to solve that tells them were they hid it in the first place.

Assuming the bomb had gone off after they sent a video proclaiming it wasn't them, once the police said that they had evidence it was Sphinx, who do really think people would believe?

Generally speaking, the police would have no reason to lie to protect whoever bombed the place. The general public wouldn't believe the police are hiding something. They'd just believe that the crazy kids were playing another game.

There is no proof the mail was from them. Need I remind you the whole case was leaked on the internet? Anybody could send a mail and pretend to be them. In fact, it wouldn't be all that surprising if that happened.

Was everything leaked? Even the part about the plutonium getting stolen and the message they left behind?

It's called a pattern. When criminals diverge from it, it's legitimate to at least wonder why.

There could be any number of reasons for it, starting from their webcam being busted somehow.

What with the other message Five sent that proves it's them, it isn't really weird that they didn't all that big a deal of it.

[Irenesharda]

Quite another amazing episode. Nine and Twelve must play defense as they are drawn into a trap by Five, who is much more disturbed than I thought.

Of course America is "evvvillll" again, and the FBI is taking over the investigation. Agent Clarence's and some of the techs' English is that of English-speakers, but Five's Engrish is grating. Also, who wants to bet that these guys are just using this all as a front for the RP Academy to protect their secrets?

I'm so glad that Nine is finally letting Lisa have a moment to shine. She can be the whole key to this, since Five knows nothing about her. Five is a grade A psycho, and that scene of her in that dream sequence was near to horrifying.
I'm rooting for Nine and Twelve to beat this crazy chick, who won't think twice about killing hundreds of people.

I'm proud of Shibazaki, who figured out the riddle and figured out that it wasn't from the original terrorists. Him going to stop it on his own, and then all the other police officers helping him out, was a really nice scene.

So, now we have two teams who are trying to stop 5 from blowing up the airport. Let's see how this game will work, and who is going to win.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Because Five would just sit there and let everyone casually stroll out before setting off the bomb, right?

To begin with, there's no sense in setting up bombs and giving the police a riddle to solve that tells them were they hid it in the first place.

Assuming the bomb had gone off after they sent a video proclaiming it wasn't them, once the police said that they had evidence it was Sphinx, who do really think people would believe?

Generally speaking, the police would have no reason to lie to protect whoever bombed the place. The general public wouldn't believe the police are hiding something. They'd just believe that the crazy kids were playing another game.

Was everything leaked? Even the part about the plutonium getting stolen and the message they left behind?

There could be any number of reasons for it, starting from their webcam being busted somehow.

What with the other message Five sent that proves it's them, it isn't really weird that they didn't all that big a deal of it.

Only the information related to the case of the serial bombings were leaked. So obviously this didn't include the plutonium.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Because Five would just sit there and let everyone casually stroll out before setting off the bomb, right?

As I said in my previous post (you may not have seen it since I edited it later), if their worry was that Five would immediately blow the place up if they "cheated", then they should have told us that. They didn't, instead coming up with a completely different and not very solid reason to not do anything and dive into an obvious trap.

If they had told us Five would go on a killing spree if they didn't play along with her, I would have bought it (although it would have required a lot of suspension of disbelief given who she's working under. Seriously, this whole Five plot is dumb and reeks of anti-Americanism) because they're the ones who know her best. However, they did no such thing.

To begin with, there's no sense in setting up bombs and giving the police a riddle to solve that tells them were they hid it in the first place.

Assuming the bomb had gone off after they sent a video proclaiming it wasn't them, once the police said that they had evidence it was Sphinx, who do really think people would believe?

Generally speaking, the police would have no reason to lie to protect whoever bombed the place. The general public wouldn't believe the police are hiding something. They'd just believe that the crazy kids were playing another game.

It makes perfect sense. The riddles are a challenge to the police and the whole country. Solving riddles they sent 10 minutes earlier, on the other hand, makes no sense no matter how I think about it. If they did what I suggested, I'm fairly confident plenty of people would have realized something fishy was going on, even if the police certified they were truly the ones who bombed the place. How much does the public even trust the police, in regards to recent events? They're so damn incompetent (I'm glad someone in the show finally said it) it probably wouldn't surprise them they confused a copycat with the real deal.

Was everything leaked? Even the part about the plutonium getting stolen and the message they left behind?

There could be any number of reasons for it, starting from their webcam being busted somehow.

What with the other message Five sent that proves it's them, it isn't really weird that they didn't all that big a deal of it.

The part about the plutonium wasn't leaked otherwise they would have made a bigger deal about this. But it's not like Five talked about that in her messages. The only evidence the messages were from Sphinx is the "VON", which was a signature they also left at the first bombing, meaning it's no secret for anybody. As far as I can tell, the police has no proof the messages are truly from Sphinx.

And yeah, there could have been plenty of reasons for the lack of video this time. It could be a trivial reason or an extremely crucial one. In any case, it's an important clue the police shouldn't overlook. I would have liked one of the inspectors to at least mention this even in passing, because it's definitely weird they would change their modus operanti this late in the game.