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But that's not the point of my post. I merely wanted to start a new line of thought, look around the chessboard rather than always from the sides, and see what bears fruit. The goalposts may yet change still as we have about 2 more episodes to go? There's so many holes that we can arrange the facts to form part of one picture and rearrange them to form part of another, and they both look equally probable at the moment. My actions would be to propose yet another arrangement to put the facts we now have in and fit more puzzle pieces as we go along. Still, thanks for pointing it out. Quote:
A) He cannot create a scenario that results in a retcon of any episodes up to date, whether by purposeful writing (which would turn the game into a farce instantly) or by accident (where us Battlers find it). This is especially true for dictated-in-canon indisputable Truths of any color. B) The answer must not be so absurd that it reduces the game to a farce as well. C) He has a limited number of games left, as I believe there's been only 7 confirmed episodes? D) As the game ends, all of the clues must have been in the game thus far. E) His mind is still going to be limited when compared to the collective power of thought of his audience when it comes to shifting goalposts without contravening any of the above rules. Something about your post caught my eye. One moment we are Beato, the next moment we are making Battler faces! As I've already mentioned, Ryukishi controls both Meta-Battler and Beato. I guess the more accurate designation for Ryukishi is RyuBattleBeato who has the better bargain in both roles, and the players of this game are BeatoBattlers doomed to getting the short end of the stick in both roles? The naming reminds me of a super robot anime now. Ni-paa...
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2009-08-21, 05:21 | Link #1884 | ||
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Argh nosebleed. What I mean is that it's hard to check around the facts when there isn't enough facst to go around on. I find doing it difficult right now because there isn't enough definite substance to measure. Jebus I need a better analogy give me a moment. I'm a medical student so let me use a tumor as an analogy. A tumor is hard to detect because you sort of need a certain physical size before it is realistically detecable. Before you reach this point, usually 10^9 cell mass, it's useless and difficult to ascertain the nature of this tumor because there is not enough cell mass to find it. However once you reach about this mass of cells you can finally see and detect the tumor and learn about it. At this time with boundaries set you can see if it is benign or malignant, a myoma or sarcoma, etc. Ok that was needlesly convoluted metaphoric point. Quote:
It's more part in parcel of my education and training. As a biologist and medical student it is dangerous for me to make too many thoeries, even the crazy ass ones, because we go by the belief that Ocham was right. Too many theories bog down the thought process especially the ones that aren't very much backed by data. Too many theories can block out your views that may be closer to the truth than the rest. The scientific method extends to my appraoch to Umineko. Likewise I make the minimum number of theories, back them up with data I learn, and toss them to the shredder if they are wrong or misdirected.
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2009-08-21, 05:22 | Link #1885 |
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Ah another rule!
E) RyuBattleBeato cannot completely contravene the precedents of the great mystery authors. It would do him better to come as close to one as possible. The old rule E) becomes rule F). Ni-paa... *hi fives fellow medical student* And I think I got your analogy, don't know if any others got it...
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2009-08-21, 05:41 | Link #1886 | |
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Also I don't think the scientific method work well against mystery novels. Especially since we are up against witches after all |
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2009-08-21, 06:10 | Link #1888 |
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And as the absolute devil's advocate, I'm still trying to build a case where both are correct.
Because sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic, and the present time of the meta-world is oddly unstated.
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2009-08-22, 11:32 | Link #1889 |
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Recently read about this on 2ch discussion thread...Ryukishi07's mistake #3? Real confirmation of Shannon=Kanon theory? (I'm actually not a huge fan of this despite always talking about this )
Spoiler for ep5's autumn card:
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2009-08-22, 13:07 | Link #1894 |
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If you REALLY want to go this way, NO character are ever confirmed, age, relationship or even gender.
I understand some information can be doubted, but at some point, if you break some premises, just do for everything then...
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Doutbing the presentation of 2 characters is fundamentally different from doubting the premise and confirmation from the knowledge of a character.
Battler and even Gohda mentioned about Shannon's "career" which isn't even subject to interpretation, but pure knowledge. Absolutely not the same as people claiming Kanon = Shannon thing, especially they generally admit the two of them exist, but one died at some point before/during the plot.
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While it's plausible to doubt all the info we are given, especially some that are easily to manipulate (ie, who can be sure that Sayo was 6 when she started working? Maybe she faked her age? They are all orphans anyway, not like they have birth certificates), I have got to agree that we should really not go overboard with the claims, or once again, we would become all paranoid like back in ep2.
Rule #9 sure opened tons of room of manipulation.
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I also think that if we begin doubting fundamental things like these we can just claim about everything as ambiguous, fake, false oder whatever and if anything is possible there would be infinite possibilities for the whole outcome of the franchise and where's the fun for the readers then? I know that the meta-world works this way to a certain extent but if it was intended to work in the same way for the readers then there would be no point in creating theories at all since there would be too many possibilities and therefore your own theory would even more likely turn out as false.
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This is my first post here, eep. H-hello forums~
I've been lurking for a while and just now got up the courage to post. So here's my long and rambling theory, or collection of related theories, on the identity of Beatrice and the existence of the game world. EP5 may deny/confirm this theory, no idea since I've only glanced at a couple spoilers. Spoilers are so tempting .___. It's riddled with holes and doesn't explain everything, and some of the ideas in it have been repeated already... so sorry if there's something I didn't think of that can easily disprove all of it T_T I'm terrible at coherent thought so it's in bullet form; some of the listed items may contradict one another because of the non-coherence. Spoiler for eps 1-4, WARNING TEXT WALL:
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