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The visuals aren't completely bad, but there are a few eps where you can tell they didn't put much into the animation. I recall a scene where Chronicle was walking and it looked odd, and there was a scene where Duker's ship got washed over with water and the animation looked still, but the sound effects are there.
Other than that this series is really good. The battles are well done, and thats part of the reason this show appeals to me. The battles in Zeta seemes repetative to me, but never got that feeling whne watching Victory. Some of the characters are odd. Several BESPA pilots come to mind in that regard.
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1) Stolen Gundam - Zeta Gundam 2) Meeting the enemies pilot, fall in love and unable to stop her death - Zeta Gundam 3) third fraction suddenly appears from nowhere (non-existant in beginning of series) and cause the fight to climax - Zeta Gundam 4) old character appearing in the series to "guide" the main character - Zeta Gundam Yes, it's very general, that's why I believe most people are saying the creator of Seed Destiny basically those a lot of story elements from Zeta and "incorporate" that into the Seed Destiny story, so for people who watched the old UC Gundam series, they feel so familiar of the story in Seed Destiny. I don't think of it as bad per say - just bad execution (Shinn's character development just sucks near the end - Shinn never seems to mature, while for Camille, at least he seems tolerable to people by the end of the series.) |
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If you do not believe she is a newtype or artificial Newtype, how in the world can Katejina become a pilot, a pretty good one at that, so quick? It is a common theme throughout the Gundam series that unless you are in the military and went through official training, regular people just cannot become a good MS pilot, at least not in such a short period of time, unless they are either Newtype or artificial Newtype. Yes, most of the "kids" that end up piloting are consider Newtype (Odeo's girlfriend/potential girl friend noticed Odeo's death way before it become official, so unless both side have some Newtype ability, it is usually not possible for them to sense others.). I am not going to argue this one, simply because I don't want to do research on the subject - Tomino rarely does a show if he doesn't have a lot of control over the show, at least to my understanding. And I have to agree that Tomino's thoughts have been dark since the Zeta/Ideon days - until Brain Powerd/Turn A era, most of Tomino's series have pretty dark tone/theme. Quote:
Maybe it's because I lack common sense, all I know is when I play various MS "simulation" games, I know I hate using GP03D because even though it move fast, but when you are trying to do a tight turn or something similiar, you have to slow down, as the MA/MS lack side tons of side vernier to make none-straight forward movement difficult and slow. If you only consider "line by line" or "straight copy" as borrowing ideas, then I have nothing to say - our thoughts are like parallel lines that never meets. I am sure we have all read various authors that discuss their stories have various elements that are "inspired" by other people's work. At times, they can be subtle so for most people, it would be hard to pick up on (meaning the elements are original). I am just talking about those lines, and apparently, you are not. |
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Model correctly, yes, but the general concept is the same. I think I get what you are saying - it is just the general feeling many of the old school UC Gundam fan feels when we watched Seed Destiny. I know I didn't read other people's reaction when I watch the show, and those points just kind of "pop up" in my head. It's not as if I decide to nitpick the show. I guess it's all the Super Robot feel that piss us off |
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But they still have to deal with people's perception of them - Yes, viewer want to suspend their common sense at entertainment, but you can only suspend so many of their beliefs before they think you are off your bonkers |
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In real life, this technology is far beyond our means, so we are looking at alternatives - right now, we can detect NOEs, but can't do anything about them yet. Quote:
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I don't have a problem with shows that try to be realistic, and failing, or shows that don't try for realism at all. However, someone trying to rationalize sheer fantasy as "realistic" is something altogether different. When that happens, we end up with people thinking that Hollywood action movies are realistic depictions of war. I'd prefer it if the creators didn't try explaining certain elements at all.
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I've been watching Victory recently, I'm up to episode 36.
I know that Tomino was depressed and all at that time, but WTH ? This series is just too horrible for words. Corps litteraly pile up, main char is a kid haunted by Murphy's Law, every new thing seems to be done for the sole purpose of more drama. Like in around episode 30, when Spoiler for Around ep 30:
Ep 26-27 was also quite the shocker, when everyone on the Reinforce asked a little kid to Spoiler for Ep 26-27:
Episode 36, which I just finished watched also left me in shock. Spoiler for Ep 36:
I don't hate the series or anything, I'm having a good time watching it. But they totally overdid the drama. I'm bracing myself for the last episodes. And while I'm at it, I may as well adress a well-deserved red card to Hero-Legends. Like when I watched Turn A last summer, they're the only ones who released the whole series. But their translation work is equally as bad. To quote myself, 6 months ago on the Turn-A topic : Quote:
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I've just started watching Victory Gundam. I'm watching the series in a chronological order, so the last one I saw before was F91. It's a bit odd for me that Victory is set so far from the One Year Far and the well-known characters. I have only watched 4 episodes, I think, but I would have never guessed that this series is set in U.C. if I wasn't told.
I've read that many people consider this show the second best Gundam series after Zeta. Is this actually true? Did you like Victory Gundam?
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I thought Victory Gundam was very well-done.
Sure it's a bit depressing and even darker than Zeta with all the death and everything as the series progresses (influenced by Tomino at the time), but with how chaotic the times were by then, it's really no surprise. I also feel the deaths help move the story along and help character development. Like various series' before it, Victory has a bunch of inexperienced kids learning the harsh realities of war and maturing bit by bit and developing in their own way; some good and some bad. And like Zeon long before it, you also see how some of Zanscare's people aren't nearly as bad as their image is portrayed thanks to the more corrupt/power-hungry/insane individuals we may see. The Mobile Suits were great designs; simpler than before, but still powerful, yet still balanced and in synch with the times. At least the League Militaire's and Zanscare's are. The Federation still uses MS and ships from 30+ years before (similar to F91) and still use the Salamis Kai, which was used since the OWY and the Clop and Ra Cailum class from 60+ years before. Then again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Though it could also be due to the Federation's further stagnation. 74 years since MSG after all. (And 80 or so years since the invention of the Mobile Suit in general). A LOT can change in such a time, just like in real life. Hasn't even been 100 years since WWI (and only 106 or so years since the airplane was invented) and look at how vastly far the world has come since then. The battles are also very nicely done and no MS is nearly invincible at all and capable of being defeated in some way; a trait that I like about the Universal Century series' (and a couple AUs like G Gundam, Gundam X, and Turn A Gundam). And the Federation has little to no real power as you can see. And thanks to the Zanscare Empire, and perhaps because of past experiences with things like the Crossbone Vanguard, Mars Zeon, the Jupiter Empire, etc, space hasn't exactly been the "ideal" living location either. (With illegal space immigrants on Earth and all.)
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Technically, there was one pilot and mobile suit combo that was just about unstoppable save for plot devices; it's just not an obvious candidate.
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1.) There's still quite a bit connecting Victory to the past UC series'...at least considering the 60 year gap of canon animation XD ("Gundam", Salamis Kai, Clop, Ra Cailum, etc).
2.) One can't forget that the Federation was going downhill ever since as early as 0083 and Zeta Gundam, and only continued to fall due to stagnation, corruption, greed, fear, laziness, arrogance, etc, etc in ZZ, CCA, and F91. So 70+ years later of continuous stagnation will usually cause even the previously mightiest organizations to almost fall off the map. Also due to the fact that we only see 1 small section of the Federation assisting the League Militaire and not until later in the series. And it's worse for businesses too like Anaheim Electronics. That business has been THE largest MS business (shorty after the OYW when Zeonic Company, Zeon's primary MS developer, was absorbed by it); developing MS for both sides of each conflict that arose. But shortly before F91, early UC 0100s, their loss of business from the Federation due to their newly installed SNRI branch and the F90 series caused them to practically fall off the map from the monopoly they were. You barely hear them mentioned in Victory either and they were the ones who are said to have helped produce the Victory, Victory 2, and other League Militaire MS. 3.) Well, I mostly just mean in Victory Gundam that there's really no "all-powerful" or "invincible" MS. Even the Victory/Victory 2 are fallible. And I only said a few AUs. Ones like Wing, SEED, and SEED Destiny aren't among them XD.
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