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And according to your theory, Sasuke's genin Gokakyou at the start of the series would totally pwn Kakuzu's ultimate wind jutsu =p Quote:
It was never stated only Yondaime and Jiraiya could do Rasengan. It was never stated only an Uchiha could gain MS. (lol@people making crap up) On the contrary, Kakashi explained in full detail why both he and Yondaime could NEVER apply physical recomposition to Rasengan, and Naruto can. You actually brought up this theory while apparently having missed the ENTIRE point of Kakashi explaining Naruto and the reason he had to continue on his own because Kakashi has just got NO idea of how to do this thing. He even mentioned "even the fourth wouldn't be able to do it like this, Naruto". Haha. |
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Indeed. Sasuke knows a jutsu so powerful Oro had to stop him. Last edited by Bijuu Killer; 2006-12-10 at 04:03. |
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You said: a Wind jutsu of a higher level would only make a Fire jutsu of a lower level stronger. Facts say: that is wrong! I repeat: WRONG! Haha. Yamato mentioned that wind would make fire stronger ONLY if both jutsu are on the same level. Thus, if Naruto's jutsu is at any level higher than whatever Katon jutsu Sasuke uses, he will NOT be making the fire stronger. Instead, he will simply overpower the jutsu. Quote:
It was never stated that only Yondaime and Jiraiya know Rasengan. In fact, that is a super bunch of crap that I laugh at because it was made up by someone who's trying to talk his way out of something. So far as MS goes.... hahaha, you just go and provide me the manga page where it says that only Uchiha can obtain it. Haha. Quote:
You never cease to astonish. K lemme explain. Kakashi, has already TRIED to do this. He has tried countless times and considered everything he could possibly come up with, and in the end couldn't do it. Now Naruto came up with some kind of trick, probably the only one, and even then he admits Yondaime would never be able to do it that way, let alone himself. Genius only goes up to a certain point, lol. Kakashi is a genius. He started investigating what he managed to copy (yes, I said copy) from Itachi and found a way to use it as well, without having to fill any requirement. Beforehand, he KNEW he was able to do such a thing, and then he decided to also TRY it. (meaning, he knew his level of "genius" was high enough for him to develop that jutsu, unlike this time) This time, he HAS tried it, and is totally convinced that he will NEVER be able to do it no matter how long or hard he tries. That's some large ass difference. And unfortunately for you, it won't work out. |
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Now THAT is one LARGE-ass uncounterable fatass argument I would NEVER be able to defeat. But let me just throw an attempt. "Apperantly, you didn't read what Yamato said. If the wind was stronger, it would only accomplish to strengthen the fire." - Bijuu killer "So if you countered Sasuke's fire jutsu with a wind jutsu of the same strength, you'd only make the fire stronger" - Yamato Quote:
What people say, isn't always right ;D Things are officially "stated" when Kishimoto himself states them. Not if one of his characters states it. Because when one of his characters states it, that means all we got to know is the extent of someone's knowledge. Tsunade saying only Jiraiya and Yondaime could perform Rasengan ONLY means that SHE thought that only those two could do it. I can't help if she never managed to find out that Kakashi copied it and could perform it as well. I don't give a damn. Fact is, Kakashi could do it all along, and Tsunade did not know it. Quote:
What you are probably referring to, is when Itachi said only another Uchiha could defeat him. Because he ASSUMED that MS is something that no one can overcome without having it him/herself, and he figured Kakashi would never be capable of copying/obtaining it. Either way, he never directly literally stated that "Kakashi can not achieve MS". And even if he did, it would still be huge ass specultion on his part. Yet again, no official "statement" by Kishimoto. lol. Quote:
You should not have quoted that slight part of my post, YOU KNOW THAT, because it only had relevance to what I was going to say later on. Let me just clear it up for you yet again. However, I take it from your replies that either you're not capable of understanding what I'm actually pointing out, or perhaps you DO but rather not admit defeat it in front of everyone who goes to this forum and laughs his ass off. I'll point it out short, straight and clear for you: Kakashi has tried to develop this jutsu, and came to the conclusion he would never be able to do it. Quote:
I did not say he copied the technique. I said he learned something from what he saw (backed up by a statement on the front page of a chapter somewhere in the save Gaara arc, which said: "the fruit of Kakashi's experience"), and found a way himself to tap into the power that the eye holds without having to actually achieve MS. Or, achieve it the normal way. Quote:
I suggest you just leave it.. don't lay your rep on the line man. The longer you continue, the more people who will read the posts, and it will only lower your rep and eventually gain you a title on the forum you don't wish to have. Last edited by Xrayz0r; 2006-12-10 at 07:43. |
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"the strongest ninjutsu ONLY YOU can do". Nothing about how to do it. |
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2006-12-10, 10:50 | Link #28 |
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afaik, raikiri is chidori, isn't it? where did u see the diference between them?
simply put it: Rasengan is a jutsu with molded chakra to the maximum in terms of shapping (spheres are perfect forms in nature) , wich chidori isn't, aswell know it has an element into it, making it strong in two ways. Besides, wind has advantage over lightning. If wind rasengan is an S class jutsu it can outrun any s class jutsu as long as it keeps the elemental advantage. |
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And if Raikiri with its seemingly rather low level of spatial recomposition (compared to Rasengan anyways) is S ranked, then indeed what Naruto will develop is even higher than that, as Kakashi thought so himself. Cause without doubt, there won't be comparing Raikiri to wind Rasengan once it's done. It's on a completely different level. |
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Second, Kishimoto did say himself the only users of Rasengan are Yondaime, Naruto and Jiraiya. it seems Kishi had a change of heart.
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Then the 1st Data Book came out and stated how it produced a white glow so they made the Chidori white instead of blue. |
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2006-12-10, 15:37 | Link #33 |
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For something like lightning to overpower wind, the wind user would have to be totally outclassed, something like a genin vs a juunin. This would have to be the case if they are equal power and lightning enhances wind. To simply null the stronger element out, it would have to be massively powerful in contrast, in which case it would still be wildly stupid of a juunin to do, since he should have another element anyways.
I doubt Oro or Sasuke is too worried about one jutsu, Sasuke has a plethora of fire jutsu, and it is hard to say if Naruto's technique will even null a high powered fire attack. Last edited by Dauthi; 2006-12-10 at 15:49. |
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I really think you have a mistranslation, but this wouldn't be your fault, so my apologies. Meanwhile I try to find a good translator who can tell us. ^^ |
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naruto could easily kill sousuke with one wind rasengan vs chidori/raikiri, the problem is sasuke might avoid a 1v1 rasengan vs chidori head on thing, and the fact that he doesnt want to kill sasuke
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