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ijuinkun · 2011-12-30, 23:59

The first time, Asakura was aware that Yuki, as a representative of the majority conservative faction, would disapprove of an action put forth by the radical faction, so while she seemed to think that killing Kyon was an inherently good action, she did not so much expect universal agreement with her opinion.

Ithekro · 2011-12-31, 01:08

Well the first time, Kyon was able to dodge her a little as well, thus giving her time to think something was off. This time *stab* -'happy'-.

risingstar3110 · 2012-01-06, 08:14

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Originally Posted by Gamer_2k4

And what if he doesn't? What if Mikuru comes crying to him saying, "Kyon you have to go back in time with me!" and he just tells her no? What if he keeps deciding, "eh, I can't be bothered with this right now...I'll save myself later" until the day he dies?

Obviously those things don't happen, but that's the problem with the time travel in this series. The characters have to march along mindlessly like puppets, or else it all falls apart.

Probably too late to respond on this, but if Kyon (and human overall) does not have freewill then he will always say Yes, right?

Gamer_2k4 · 2012-01-06, 11:02

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Originally Posted by risingstar3110

Probably too late to respond on this, but if Kyon (and human overall) does not have freewill then he will always say Yes, right?

Well, and that's the question. Does time travel - especially the time travel presented in the Haruhi series - preclude free will?

ijuinkun · 2012-01-07, 01:58

What it seems like is that knowledge of the future constrains free will but only for the one holding the knowledge. For example, since Kyon remembers meeting his future self in Disappearance, he is restricted to doing things that are consistent with doing the things that he remembered his future-self doing.

On the other hand, if he does NOT know the details, then he is free to act normally. For example, when Mikuru(Big) instructed him to toss the turtle into the river, but said nothing about leaving it there, Kyon was free to fish it back out right away.

Since knowledge about one's future seems to prevent one from acting counter to such knowledge, this would explain why Mikuru's faction operate under a policy of giving their operatives as little detail of events as possible, since doing so allows the greatest latitude for action.

This state of affairs can be likened to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum observation. Basically, as long as you do not know about how an event will turn out, it remains in a superposition of all possible states as it normally does. However, the moment that you observe the event, it becomes fixed within a state (or range of states) that is compatible with the observed data. The odd and interesting thing about this as it relates to time in the Haruhiverse is that observations seem to be personal to the observer--person A can have knowledge that fixes the event in state X, while person B can lack that knowledge and thus act as if A's observation has not happened. This is why a person with knowledge of the future can use a person without such knowledge as a proxy for action as long as the details of the latter's actions remain "don't ask don't tell" until after the fact.

lml99 · 2012-04-10, 21:58

This is probably a "bit" late, but since I just saw the Disappearance, I'd like to give my 2 cents about it. I sort of just got into Haruhi (guess I'm a little behind

), and at first, it didn't really hook me. It really seemed just too slow, and at times, a bit mundane. And I couldn't really just enjoy it as a slice of life either, with its sci-fi elements and such. However, this movie really brought me back. I liked how they really pushed the plot along on this one, rather than letting it lull (endless 8). The movie also got Kyon to stop being so apathetic and admitting that he actually enjoyed the SOS Brigade's company. And blushing Yuki! That was unforgettable.

Spoiler for The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya:

It's a shame that I had to have the series finally start to really grow on me during the final episodes and finish with this movie. Nevertheless, I'm happy to have this original and beautiful conclusion as my final memory of Haruhi. I'm actually a bit inclined to read the light novels after this, once I get some free time.

Classified Info · 2012-04-13, 09:00

The beauty of this movie is probably that of looking mundane in the beginning and then twisting the plot and disorient you.

Btw, i really do suggest you the novels, because there will be even more interesting part of the story (especially the 10/11th novel). The snow mountain syndrome(1st part) is also awesome, but won't spoil anything. Enjoy it

HasuMasu · 2012-06-08, 09:58

I originally watched this in Japanese sometime last year, recently I was able to watch it in English.

It was sort of on a whim, but I'm glad I did it. Somehow I was able to appreciate the English version more.

Neko Arc Brunestud · 2012-07-04, 13:57

Watched the movie before reading the book.

Spoiler for Sorta-spoiler favorite scenes.:

Hiroi Sekai · 2012-11-24, 07:16

Rewatched this today after a long time, and hot damn, it's animated beautifully. Oh, and Nagato is the cutest thing ever. Damn you KyoAni. Seriously, damn you.

NoemiChan · 2012-11-24, 07:22

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Originally Posted by Neko Arc Brunestud

Watched the movie before reading the book.

Spoiler for Sorta-spoiler favorite scenes.:

My favorite in the movie was Kyon introducing himself as John Smith to Haruhi.. it was breath taking seen... Seeing Haruhi having a weak knee there is so touching... Kyon you rascal...

Solafighter · 2013-01-17, 17:08

Just rewatched it last night. Seeing Haruhi draging Asahina kidnaping into the club room and then standing with everyone in the SOS clubroom really gives an nostalgic feeling. I should rewatch the first season.

It has been 6 years, ever since I saw Haruhi the first time. Time passes by so fast.

-Necromancer- · 2013-01-17, 17:14

This anime is outrageous D: its out of the league of any other anime by far :P will definately be everyones favourite and inspiration in time to come im sure xD

the amount of emotions it can make you feel is amazing D:

Wolfenstein · 2013-06-06, 20:51

Although there were some unescessary additions when compared to the novel, that kinda try to mess with the author's intent(thankfully, it dosen't really succeed), there were also improvements. Glad they managed to maintain Kyon's central choice completely intact: do you want a adventurous and supernatural life, or do you want a stable and peaceful one? Just like in Catherine, neither is better than the other, but everyone has a preference. The second focus point: Nagato's development, was also maintained rather faithfully.

That being said, this anime was stupidly good. The changes from a scene in a hospital ward to a roof-top was clever, to say the least.

Gawd, when Kyon took the blame for what Yuki went through -- dem feels. Really is one of the shifting points in the series, especially on that relationship, where Kyon basically realizes that his friend was suffering and he was just non-chalantly relying on her all the time. It's understandable why his affection for Yuki increases so much after all that, so much so to the point that Koizumi berrates him for it.

Pengu · 2013-06-09, 14:12

Well, after watching the whole movie I'd say it was overall very good with many ups and downs under the way.
While I fully understand Kyou's reasoning and his ultimate decisions, I just fell Yuki is the biggest looser in all of this.
She has for so long just been a emotionless robot, showing little of anything with "frustrations" having been built up over time.
She wanted something different, a different reality, where she could be more "normal"
Also very telling the Kyou was the only one left unchanged.
Pretty much tells me that Yuki somehow treasures Kyou. And the way the Alt world is structured, I'd say there is a big chance for Yuki with Kyou. She has no rivals and he will come to spend time with her, as there is not many places else for him.
Sha also slowly opens up during the time in the Alt world. She waits so he could walk her home. She invites her in. She also is desperate for him to join the club as she is so very lonely. When he reject her invitation to the club you can see the strongest reaction from Yuki ever. She is more or less distraught.
Instead she is back to being a mindless robot almost with little emotion and little chance with Kyou. Just feel sad for Yuki.

Wolfenstein · 2013-06-09, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Pengu

Well, after watching the whole movie I'd say it was overall very good with many ups and downs under the way.
While I fully understand Kyou's reasoning and his ultimate decisions, I just fell Yuki is the biggest looser in all of this.
She has for so long just been a emotionless robot, showing little of anything with "frustrations" having been built up over time.
She wanted something different, a different reality, where she could be more "normal"
Also very telling the Kyou was the only one left unchanged.
Pretty much tells me that Yuki somehow treasures Kyou. And the way the Alt world is structured, I'd say there is a big chance for Yuki with Kyou. She has no rivals and he will come to spend time with her, as there is not many places else for him.
Sha also slowly opens up during the time in the Alt world. She waits so he could walk her home. She invites her in. She also is desperate for him to join the club as she is so very lonely. When he reject her invitation to the club you can see the strongest reaction from Yuki ever. She is more or less distraught.
Instead she is back to being a mindless robot almost with little emotion and little chance with Kyou. Just feel sad for Yuki.

Did you watch the epilogue of the movie? It's pretty much the closest thing to an admission from Yuki that she has a thing for Kyon, after the events of the movie.

We must inform ourselves, though; it's not that Yuki dosen't have emotions in her reality, she just couldn't show/act upon them in her world because of certain circumstances.

However, that's the resolution of the movie and the novel of Dissapearance. Kyon realizes that his over-realiance of Yuki, couple with her circumstances, led her to an emotional crisis. It marks a turning point to both their characters, since subsequently, Kyon pretty much does everything in his power to take those burdens off of Yuki, even to the point where Haruhi and Koizumi take notice, without her having to change herself and the world into something she's not.
And that's the resolution. Kyon understands her pain, and by pretty much immunizing her from any killing or dissapearing the DITE might do to her, he pretty much just gave her the option to be emotionally free, without any consequences.

Really, she was desperate, only someone desperate does something like change yourself completely. And, by the end of the movie, she gets the affection, care and un-burdenment to ease her emotional pain when Kyon does what he does in that roof-top.

That's why her "Thank-you" is so important. So, I'm not really sad for her.

Harbinger · 2015-06-03, 22:33

(I know that this thread is a bit old, but whatever!)

I just re-watched the movie a third time this year. I'm actually a pretty recent fan of this series. This series was recommended by someone on Youtube so I decided to check it out. I started with the Manga, then I watched the 2 seasons (Anime) and finally, I watched this movie. At the moment, I'm watching the new spin-off.

This movie turned Yuki into my favorite character of this series and one of my personal favorite.

quigonkenny · 2015-06-08, 01:26

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Originally Posted by Harbinger

(I know that this thread is a bit old, but whatever!)

I just re-watched the movie a third time this year. I'm actually a pretty recent fan of this series. This series was recommended by someone on Youtube so I decided to check it out. I started with the Manga, then I watched the 2 seasons (Anime) and finally, I watched this movie. At the moment, I'm watching the new spin-off.

This movie turned Yuki into my favorite character of this series and one of my personal favorite.

Read the novels. You can't really get the full picture without them. The manga and anime are very good for covering the basics―about as good as one can hope for in adaptation―but both of those media have limitations that the novels don't.

Harbinger · 2015-06-08, 01:30

I can't say I found seen or found the physical novels. I would definitely buy them if I saw them in a library.

Asrial · 2015-06-08, 02:58

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2011-12-31, 01:08	Link #722
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Well the first time, Kyon was able to dodge her a little as well, thus giving her time to think something was off. This time stab -'happy'-. __________________

2012-04-10, 21:58	Link #726
lml99 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Preferably in my imagination	This is probably a "bit" late, but since I just saw the Disappearance, I'd like to give my 2 cents about it. I sort of just got into Haruhi (guess I'm a little behind ), and at first, it didn't really hook me. It really seemed just too slow, and at times, a bit mundane. And I couldn't really just enjoy it as a slice of life either, with its sci-fi elements and such. However, this movie really brought me back. I liked how they really pushed the plot along on this one, rather than letting it lull (endless 8). The movie also got Kyon to stop being so apathetic and admitting that he actually enjoyed the SOS Brigade's company. And blushing Yuki! That was unforgettable. Spoiler for The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya: It's so depressing that they have to dispose of human Yuki in the end. No happy Yuki x Kyon ending . It's a shame that I had to have the series finally start to really grow on me during the final episodes and finish with this movie. Nevertheless, I'm happy to have this original and beautiful conclusion as my final memory of Haruhi. I'm actually a bit inclined to read the light novels after this, once I get some free time.

2012-06-08, 09:58	Link #728
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	I originally watched this in Japanese sometime last year, recently I was able to watch it in English. It was sort of on a whim, but I'm glad I did it. Somehow I was able to appreciate the English version more. __________________

2012-07-04, 13:57	Link #729
Neko Arc Brunestud Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Oklahoma	Watched the movie before reading the book. Spoiler for Sorta-spoiler favorite scenes.: My two faviorite scenes are Kyon being gentle with Haruhi at the end, (even if he isn't in love, I think it shows he cares for her,) and his 'Tell your bosses to go to hell!' moment with Yuki.

2011-12-30, 23:59	Link #721
ijuinkun Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007	The first time, Asakura was aware that Yuki, as a representative of the majority conservative faction, would disapprove of an action put forth by the radical faction, so while she seemed to think that killing Kyon was an inherently good action, she did not so much expect universal agreement with her opinion.

2012-01-07, 01:58	Link #725
ijuinkun Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007	What it seems like is that knowledge of the future constrains free will but only for the one holding the knowledge. For example, since Kyon remembers meeting his future self in Disappearance, he is restricted to doing things that are consistent with doing the things that he remembered his future-self doing. On the other hand, if he does NOT know the details, then he is free to act normally. For example, when Mikuru(Big) instructed him to toss the turtle into the river, but said nothing about leaving it there, Kyon was free to fish it back out right away. Since knowledge about one's future seems to prevent one from acting counter to such knowledge, this would explain why Mikuru's faction operate under a policy of giving their operatives as little detail of events as possible, since doing so allows the greatest latitude for action. This state of affairs can be likened to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum observation. Basically, as long as you do not know about how an event will turn out, it remains in a superposition of all possible states as it normally does. However, the moment that you observe the event, it becomes fixed within a state (or range of states) that is compatible with the observed data. The odd and interesting thing about this as it relates to time in the Haruhiverse is that observations seem to be personal to the observer--person A can have knowledge that fixes the event in state X, while person B can lack that knowledge and thus act as if A's observation has not happened. This is why a person with knowledge of the future can use a person without such knowledge as a proxy for action as long as the details of the latter's actions remain "don't ask don't tell" until after the fact.

2012-04-13, 09:00	Link #727
Classified Info I miss Haruhi Join Date: Sep 2011	The beauty of this movie is probably that of looking mundane in the beginning and then twisting the plot and disorient you. Btw, i really do suggest you the novels, because there will be even more interesting part of the story (especially the 10/11th novel). The snow mountain syndrome(1st part) is also awesome, but won't spoil anything. Enjoy it

2013-01-17, 17:08	Link #732
Solafighter Hige Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: God only knows	Just rewatched it last night. Seeing Haruhi draging Asahina kidnaping into the club room and then standing with everyone in the SOS clubroom really gives an nostalgic feeling. I should rewatch the first season. It has been 6 years, ever since I saw Haruhi the first time. Time passes by so fast. __________________

2013-01-17, 17:14	Link #733
-Necromancer- Otaku Join Date: Nov 2012	This anime is outrageous D: its out of the league of any other anime by far :P will definately be everyones favourite and inspiration in time to come im sure xD the amount of emotions it can make you feel is amazing D:

2013-06-06, 20:51	Link #734
Wolfenstein Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	Although there were some unescessary additions when compared to the novel, that kinda try to mess with the author's intent(thankfully, it dosen't really succeed), there were also improvements. Glad they managed to maintain Kyon's central choice completely intact: do you want a adventurous and supernatural life, or do you want a stable and peaceful one? Just like in Catherine, neither is better than the other, but everyone has a preference. The second focus point: Nagato's development, was also maintained rather faithfully. That being said, this anime was stupidly good. The changes from a scene in a hospital ward to a roof-top was clever, to say the least. Gawd, when Kyon took the blame for what Yuki went through -- dem feels. Really is one of the shifting points in the series, especially on that relationship, where Kyon basically realizes that his friend was suffering and he was just non-chalantly relying on her all the time. It's understandable why his affection for Yuki increases so much after all that, so much so to the point that Koizumi berrates him for it. __________________

2013-06-09, 14:12	Link #735
Pengu Member Join Date: Dec 2006	Well, after watching the whole movie I'd say it was overall very good with many ups and downs under the way. While I fully understand Kyou's reasoning and his ultimate decisions, I just fell Yuki is the biggest looser in all of this. She has for so long just been a emotionless robot, showing little of anything with "frustrations" having been built up over time. She wanted something different, a different reality, where she could be more "normal" Also very telling the Kyou was the only one left unchanged. Pretty much tells me that Yuki somehow treasures Kyou. And the way the Alt world is structured, I'd say there is a big chance for Yuki with Kyou. She has no rivals and he will come to spend time with her, as there is not many places else for him. Sha also slowly opens up during the time in the Alt world. She waits so he could walk her home. She invites her in. She also is desperate for him to join the club as she is so very lonely. When he reject her invitation to the club you can see the strongest reaction from Yuki ever. She is more or less distraught. Instead she is back to being a mindless robot almost with little emotion and little chance with Kyou. Just feel sad for Yuki.

2015-06-03, 22:33	Link #737
Harbinger Squirrel Master Join Date: Apr 2015	(I know that this thread is a bit old, but whatever!) I just re-watched the movie a third time this year. I'm actually a pretty recent fan of this series. This series was recommended by someone on Youtube so I decided to check it out. I started with the Manga, then I watched the 2 seasons (Anime) and finally, I watched this movie. At the moment, I'm watching the new spin-off. This movie turned Yuki into my favorite character of this series and one of my personal favorite.

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Harbinger Squirrel Master Join Date: Apr 2015	I can't say I found seen or found the physical novels. I would definitely buy them if I saw them in a library.

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