F/sn Future Speculation discussion

[Blade_Lord]

Actually no Iamandragon, Mystic Eye of Death Perception cannot kill servant. The servant is not under gaia(which explains why Gaia are trying to crush them.) and also the servant has already died before. And I think your underestimating the servants too much. In one interview Nasu said that Ryougi Shiki can only fight defensively against servants.

And please do not use doujin or fanfics as your reference unless they are approved by Nasu Kinoko himself. And If I'm not mistaken Berserker only have 12 lives not 17.

[iamandragon]

Sorry, I mean sliced into 17 pieces--but again, that's just a doujin.

Guess I've missed the interview--well then let's put the Shikis aside, and rephrase: Arcuied beat servants...no arguments in this?

[Blade_Lord]

Gilgamesh can defeat Arcueid. Other servants can defeat her but they need to play the right card at the right time.

Even if your stats got A-rank in everything, you will lose if you fight against opponent with superior tactics.

There is no such thing as a sure win in battle. At the most your chance of winning is 99.9%.

[OceanBlue]

Depends on Arcueid's level, right? I doubt a servant can beat a 100% Arcueid.

Oh, imandragon, here's a link to some interviews.
http://web.archive.org/web/200705171...power+rankings
It says "Totally unofficial", but there are translations to some interviews by Nasu on there too.

Also, considering that Arcueid is four times the strength of a normal servant [I've heard three in other places, but according to the article...], I don't think other servants can beat her alone. It depends. I wonder how Arcueid's luck would match up against Lancer's Gae Bolg.

[iamandragon]

Oh great! Thanks OceanBlue for the link! Saved in my T-Moon folder ^o^

[DarkHonour]

According to the Nasuverse relationship chart, there is a very low probability of KnK and F/sn meeting. I think they're closer to Tsukihime than KnK.

With fate/hollow ataraxia, it seems like the fate route was the most closest to it. The focus is more on the 8th master and servant I guess.

[Blade_Lord]

Originally Posted by DarkHonour

According to the Nasuverse relationship chart, there is a very low probability of KnK and F/sn meeting. I think they're closer to Tsukihime than KnK.

With fate/hollow ataraxia, it seems like the fate route was the most closest to it. The focus is more on the 8th master and servant I guess.

Man....since when did Shirou show any sign of tracing a 4 petal Rho Aias in Fate Route? It's much closer to UBW route or HF route.
I said UBW because Shirou actually saw Rho Aias projected in front of his face.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Blade_Lord

Man....since when did Shirou show any sign of tracing a 4 petal Rho Aias in Fate Route? It's much closer to UBW route or HF route.
I said UBW because Shirou actually saw Rho Aias projected in front of his face.

While in the basement of a church?

[DarkHonour]

Originally Posted by DarkHonour

According to the Nasuverse relationship chart, there is a very low probability of KnK and F/sn meeting. I think they're closer to Tsukihime than KnK.

With fate/hollow ataraxia, it seems like the fate route was the most closest to it. The focus is more on the 8th master and servant I guess.

My mistake I guess.

hollow ataraxia is not based predominantly on one route. But the main character in this series is truly based on Bazette and Avenger. (not a true sequel either although it's created by TYPE-MOON)

I agree it does show a bit of the UBW route since Saber was ordered by Rin actually to destroy the Holy Grail.

And further more, Shinji survives.

[Blade_Lord]

Originally Posted by Keroko

While in the basement of a church?

No during the last fight against Gilgamesh. Shirou is standing there and chanting like an idiot. The reason he didn't turn into pin-cushion by Gilgamesh Gate of babylon is because Archer projected Rho Aias in front of him.

[Keroko]

*blink* Huh, completely missed that detail. Where was that mentioned?

[stormy001_M1A2]

Originally Posted by Blade_Lord

No during the last fight against Gilgamesh. Shirou is standing there and chanting like an idiot. The reason he didn't turn into pin-cushion by Gilgamesh Gate of babylon is because Archer projected Rho Aias in front of him.

If I remember correctly, Shirou is the one projecting Rho Aias while chanting the Unlimited Blade Works. Archer is too weak to interfere with the fight.

[Blade_Lord]

Originally Posted by stormy001_M1A2

If I remember correctly, Shirou is the one projecting Rho Aias while chanting the Unlimited Blade Works. Archer is too weak to interfere with the fight.

Excuse me, but please explain where and when did Shirou saw Rho Aias? Not during the Archer vs Lancer church fight I'm sure because during that time they're busy fighting with Caster and Kuzuki.

[DarkHonour]

So far for fate/hollow ataraxia, I get this weird thing that it focuses more on the harem genre:

Spoiler for fate/hollow ataraxia side story events:

Plainly speculative, but so far what I observed, Shirou X Rin X Archer. Because Shirou keeps thinking about Rin (he says she looks best in a maid outfit ) and Archer won't kill Shirou because Rin doesn't want him to fight although they have broken their contract.

Saber likes Shirou but he doesn't seem to like Saber as much as she likes him. But Shirou likes her nevertheless. (she's willing to dress up and go on a date with him to the pool, and he teaches her to swim) Archer interrupts them at the swimming pool and he is there for NO reason except to steal Shirou's lunch. Archer has some feelings for Saber, maybe?

Sakura likes Shirou and so does Rider. It's not implied if he likes them both but I guess he has some feelings for Sakura. But Rider was touched by Shirou when he bought her lunch when she didn't have any.

Illya likes Shirou and he sees her as brother-sister, the same thing. Anymore further, and I'm gonna call Shirou a lolicon.

Castor X Souichirou. Nonetheless, Souichirou wants Castor to learn cooking from Shirou so that she can whip up better dishes.

Issei X Ayako but not implied yet. They are seen in the student council room and Ayako states she's there as she is the president of the school festival council.

Lancer is an ultimate nanpa i.e. a guy who hits on other girls. So far, he has hit on Ayako, Kaede, Yukika, Himuro and Sakura. Whenever he's about to hit on them, Rider appears and takes him away. His ultimate rival is still Archer, who now appears at the pier to compete with him at fishing. He was also 'buried' at the Kotomine church by Archer because he told Saber her swim suit doesn't suit her and is for women.

Yukika asks Assassin to appear before her brother because she think he's cosplaying as a samurai and authentically acting as one too.

Ayako's younger brother, Minori, has a crush on Sakura and he asks Shirou for Sakura's likes and dislikes. But he does get uneasy when he keep seeing Sakura always attending to Shirou.

And that's all for now.

[Altima of the Gates]

Originally Posted by Blade_Lord

No during the last fight against Gilgamesh. Shirou is standing there and chanting like an idiot. The reason he didn't turn into pin-cushion by Gilgamesh Gate of babylon is because Archer projected Rho Aias in front of him.

Well rather than saying he was standing there like an idiot, I'm inclined to believe he knew Archer was there, although in a kinda trance-like state since he is chanting, as he clearly states as "I(the "I" referring to Archer, maybe) pull a shield from the hill to receive the incoming Noble Phantasms!"

But that scene is screwy, as it seems like Shirou felt the strain of the projection, not unlike when he projected Rho Aias during the fight with him and Rider versus Saber Alter. Anyway, in this scene he clearly says that "my body is full of holes" and "the shield is my body" so it gets really confusing. He also appears to be coughing up blood as he does the chant, while Rho Aias is being punctured from Gil's assault. It's a confusing scene no matter how you look at it.

[@GEMC]

anyone here thinks ufotable will make another anime based on saber's route? I am definitely routing for this

[Rising Dragon]

Pretty sure that ufotable already said the reason they didn't do the Fate route first was out of respect for DEEN's adaptation of Fate/stay night, as doing so would be terribly impolite.

[Rev Okkin]

That's not the reason as the Type Moon magazine outright doesn't include Deen's FSN and UBW movie in their timeline.
It's two things.
One, Nasu has said multiple times that he wants to rewrite it as he thinks he can do it better this time around.
Two, Zero has already covered the essentials of the Fate route so it needs to be rewritten for it to be "fresh" to the anime only viewers

[Rising Dragon]

I'm more than certain I've seen someone link the reason I gave. Timeline removal or not, given Japanese culture its still an incredibly dick move to do if they had made the Fate route.

[Lorhand]

Originally Posted by @GEMC

anyone here thinks ufotable will make another anime based on saber's route? I am definitely routing for this

Does that answer your question? If they ever will, the Fate route will probably be heavily altered. So it's not impossible, but I'd say unlikely.