2008-07-02, 02:05 | Link #2161 |
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Ah well. Just one more thing to fix in Comacanon.
Incidentally, Asuna's preferred combat style is shaping up to look just like some of Nero's techniques in DMC4; wild, insane, and completely out-of-control monstrous strength and impressive speed backing up a Big Fraggin' Sword she wields one-handed like an oversized toothpick.
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My Personal Character in Rising Force is a Mystic with really sucks in melee and ranged attack but can cast spells and spam them so much that anyone caught offguard will die- but with weak armor in comparison to warrior types and no resistance like ranged types but it's all in the way you handle Spoiler for Random Rant:
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if you were in IRC when i was mumbling about "Classes" of Mid/Velkan Users you would have understood that means that there will be melee type Midchildans and ranged Velkans *waggles finger to parties concerned* Don't even object!
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So what is the difference between Caro/Teana and Erio/Subaru/Ginga? The answer is that the later use Belkan magic, and physical reinforcement. In other words: They push their own muscles (the regular ones) beyond what normal humans are capable off. I'm sure that burns a lot of callories. Quote:
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2008-07-02, 02:31 | Link #2166 | |
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I said this in IRC, but I'll repeat it here. My objective with The Gospel of Judas is not to squeeze Noland into one of the already existing fanons. I'm writing The Gospel primarily as sort of showcase for Noland, to show everyone how I feel Noland should behave and act, in addition to flesh out his history. I have a fear that should he be used as of now, he may be inaccurately characterized. This doesn't mean that The Gospel is THE definitive history that Noland is based on. As I had said long ago, I made his history hazy so as to fit into other fanons better. With The Gospel, I can say, "This is Noland. This is who and what he is." The Gospel storyline itself will eventually branch of to a point where it is roughly 30% compatible with other fanons -- it'd be easier to jump into my fanon rather than have The Gospel try to blend in. In fact, by the 3rd chapter, it will have become its own independent fanon, separate from the rest. Think of it as my own spin on Noland's history, how he fell and become the Knight of Calamity. It can be, but doesn't have to. EDIT: Dammit FF.net GIVE ME MY TILDES. I WANT TILDES~!
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2008-07-02, 02:45 | Link #2168 |
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I may use Noland for a non-canon one-shot...in which Franz gets pwnt by Meido Guy Noland.
Now that I consider it about the only time canonically Franz has gone up against anyone in OC and not lost was during the events of BelkaRed vs AbareHunter, though Glen and Naomi combopwnt him before he could do too much damage there... Garh, poor Franz, you were once a haxxed and powerful Stu, and now even your own creator amuses himself by toying with you.
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High speed purists in general are a fair model of this kind of thing there a balance to be found some areas are like the Wild West. They’ll chase anyone and hang out windows blowing out tires with shotguns and such while others while others aren’t allowed to chase anyone. Neither is ideal the former is dangerous and can turn minor offenses into huge messes, but the later is unworkable I’ve heard of areas that were so strict that police weren’t allowed to even follow a speeder if the failed to yield when the lights came on, so basically you could dodge any ticket by just going faster. Swat can have similar issues were it can be tricky to decide when to talk or keep talking and when to start shooting. That said the biggest thing though is that if a suspect is actively threatening the locals or the officers lives they WILL fight back with equal force as no agency can reasonably ask its members to be martyrs. When that threshold is reached though is often at the officer involved discretion. Still don’t fall into some absurd trap were bad guys are shooting at the heroes and they won’t fight back because they don’t want to damage a storefront or they take a hostage and they just let them go without a struggle or something. (This is the WORST possible thing to do by the way.) The internet has divided weirdness by zero it can never be stopped now... Quote:
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2008-07-02, 03:11 | Link #2170 | |
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No I'm just showing my surprise that the Otome of Earl show up in the Nanoverse.
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Ok... the name 'Otome' suggests a all female unit... But you could put a trap in there! That would be fun!
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2008-07-02, 04:19 | Link #2172 |
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Ya know what, I'm glad I napped to prepare for working until midnight instead of following this discussion.
The above is also why when it relates to canon information I would rather the Canon Info section of OCNano be restricted to mods and admins only: the honor system is all fine and well for keeping out normal malicious edits (...mostly...) but it cannot protect against someone who has confused the line between his fanon interpretations and canon information. Or to put it simply: Honor system cannot stop khrack.
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Linker Core As the name suggests, an organ in a mage’s (knight’s) body which works to link and manifest Mana generated within themself. The disposition of a mage thus depends on their Linker Core, and currently any analysis of a mage’s abilities are done by examining the Linker Core. Like I said before, linking mana from the atmosphere is more likely to refer to external spells like Starlight Breaker, which literally do gather mana from the atmosphere. Quote:
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Subaru's bikini and Teana's top are designed for high output and heavy armor. That screams proof that small jackets offer high-grade protection. Spoiler for Linker Core Disc 2:
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2008-07-02, 05:53 | Link #2175 |
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Never mind if the outcry can be heard from within the roar for more happy family, it's basically implied the creator has planted a trait that shifts the shafting to be her own fault in the form of self-shafting.. That's pretty disappointing to say the least out of so much that can be said.
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Not a bad start, though like what others say, Yuuno seems a little ... odd. Understandably, stress can do nasty things to a person, but for him to just forgo his usual nature is just weird. And again, our Admiral has fallen to some sort of secret thing ! Judging by Yuuno and Fate's concern, it seems to be quite severe. I wonder if it is ... Quote:
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Personally, I think the word "organ" should not be taken in biological terms. The word "organ" could simply mean a container or vessel that serves a particular function. In Nanohaverse, Linker Core serves as the fundamental processing unit for a mage to cast spells. It doesn't manifest physically, and could be a pocket dimension that performs all things related to magic in Nanohaverse - storing mana, conversion, etc. The pocket dimension supplies mana into the body as long as it's able (hence, linked), and fizzles out after it's exhausted. To refill the dimension, simply rest, eat, and the normal stuff. This is my personal opinion of Linker Cores, though, so it's not canon-proven. (Small note: "Organ" derives its meaning from the Greek word organon, which literally means 'that with which one works'. In other words, Linker Cores are the organs with which mages work their spells.) Quote:
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Improving mana capacity and getting more proficient with magic (able to use stronger attacks, faster processing, etc.) is (again, to my own interpretation) nothing more than expanding your awareness of your own magical potential. The size of the dimension that you're able to access as you become more aware of it expands through training (an oversimplification for my part, but hopefully sufficient). It's like most wizards in fantasy settings: you learn more, you become more powerful. For Nanohaverse, it's you train more, you become more proficient and have higher mana output (and only this). Accuracy and control of spells are not something your Linker Core helps you with, so it's part of the advantages of the training process. [To simplify long stories short, my interpretation of a Linker Core is a dimensional box that holds your magic energy. It starts out as a small cube, but as you train and increase your awareness, it increases until ... well, your limit of awareness.] Canon disputes this, though. Nanoha lost 8% of her magic potential and it's permanently irrecoverable. For my part, it's part of Nanoha's dimensional pocket collapsing after she forced an expenditure of mana greater than she could handle. |
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2008-07-02, 06:36 | Link #2177 |
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Erm, Keroko could you pull out that page where Shamal was explaining to Nanoha about her injuries? I recall her mentioning her that if she didn't rest she'll never recover.
EDIT: Anyway those were pretty minor points, no point making a big fuss out of them. At least cos I don't have plot elements built around them.
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Mind the tone of your responses, TK, you're turning into your old not-so-lovable flamethrower self again. Let's try to make sure Aaron doesn't see any need to get involved in this again; quit with the attitude before anything starts, please.
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*Sigh* I seem to have opened up a can of worms with that treatise. I'm pretty set on introducing an alternate energy source for non-mages, but the magic circuit theory makes it so mana is essentially serving the same purpose as ki. Tricky. Eh, whatever. The ultimate purpose of this is to create an the basis of a working explanation for why Asuna can cancel out magic to the degree that she does and have extreme trouble projecting it away from herself, but at the same time still be able to enhance herself with it. I may wind up just giving her Void element mana and say she can't project it very far from herself because Void mana is resistant to being linked by the LC. Or something. Need to think about this more. You're both right. Linked mana can be generated within the body by drawing on unlinked mana from outside the body. There, problem solved.
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The guidelines I noted down for the characters to follow are: - Never begin the fight. Violence is always the last resort. - Minimum necessary force, always. - "He started it" is not a valid excuse to let loose. - You are not expected to martyr yourself, and self-defence is a valid reason. (Note: Rancer has a lot of trouble following this one. I'm writing it as a completely boneheaded move on his part.) - You're free to use your best judgement and discretion, but be prepared to back it up in future inquiries. - If you injure a civilian, you're the one who has to explain why. Make sure that explanation is very, very good. - Protect the innocent, keep the peace, serve the public trust, and uphold the law, in that order. Basically I'm trying to write a story where a minimum of flashy moves is considered commendable, and yet have it fit in the Nanoha-verse. Quote:
In essence, moderator-ship does not magically confer canon knowledge. I mean, I'm an admin, and I would place myself at the far lower end of the canon knowledge scale. Currently the mods (Kha, Tempest, and TK) are mods because they've volunteered to do the heavy grunt work of making the site reasonably intuitive to navigate. That's pretty much my only criteria for promotion; the post of co-admin is still open to anyone who wants to try prettifying the site using CSS. And there's no real filter I can use that will please everyone, or even get anywhere close to a consensus. The only one I can think of is asking "okay, who's willing to fill out the canon bits, and promise not to put in non-canon info?" which I suspect will net the majority of the current members. That's not much different from the current honour system. As always, suggestions for improvements are welcome. - When the word "nanobots" is mentioned, does anyone else come up with a mental image of a horde of tiny Nanoha robots? Or is it just me? |
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Personally I think this is probably because the writers don't have one either which is totally unacceptable and a case of shit planning, but it happens all too often sadly. Just look at Star Trek and say Phasers or Shields actually both are a good example it's been DECADES and we're still not really sure how either works. There are some commonly accepted fanon theories but nothing official. If Nanoha is following Treks lead this debate will never be settled. Our knowledge on BJ is vague and is filled with large gaps about how exactly these work and why. Those holes tend to be filled by Fanon at the whim of the author as it comes up which is why this debate keeps resurfacing as ideas over what's going on inside those gaps in our knowledge clash. It’s also why this shit will never end; because there is no answer to allot of the questions being asked. It's also why I'm done arguing about it I've worked out my own theory which I'll be using in my pick and will post if anyone wants to read it, but this debate is just one I'm fucking TIRED off it's like pulling teeth whenever it comes up. Quote:
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