The General Discussion of Haruhi Suzumiya

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Adigard

Although... I'm curious Sushi-Y... your last post seems to directly contridict a post made by Thelastguardian over in the "Episode 3 Discussion / Poll" thread, which seems to be an ongoing discussion you two were having. I can provide additional links if necessary, but the conversation seems to stretch across page 2/3 of that thread.

So... err... I might have missed something in all the spoiler's on that page. I'll go back and reread them again, and apologize right now if I'm missing something. But isn't Thelastguardian's point there entirely nullified if Mikuru is a "normal human with no powers at all"

? So we're both saying that Mikuru isn't a "normal human with no powers at all", where's the contradiction?

Originally Posted by Adigard

Spoiler:

The Mikuru beam only happens because she's wearing contact lenses... which doesn't make a ton of sense either, since Kyon seemed to be standing more or less directly in the path of her beam.

Spoiler for Mikuru Beam:

First of all, both Mikuru and the contact lenses are "normal", that is, on their own, there's nothing supernatural about them (the lenses are perfectly normal lenses that you can buy from shops, and Mikuru certainly doesn't have beam-firing capabilities). The reason why Mikuru Beam appeared when Mikuru is wearing the colored contact lense is because Haruhi defined it as such. "When Mikuru wears the colored contact lense, she can fire laser beams out of her eye", that's Haruhi's definition, so that became the "rule".

Later, when Haruhi poped a different colored lense onto Mikuru's eye, she said "it doesn't matter, just shoot something unbelievable and attack!" And this time, since Haruhi was much more vague ("something unbelievable" rather than "laser beam") rather than a photon laser, Mikuru fired an ultra-oscillating molecular cutter beam out of her eye instead.

Kyon would've been killed if Yuki hadn't blocked the laser beam with her hand (that blackout you saw after Mikuru fired the beam was from Yuki's hand). Yuki then jumped Mikuru in order to inject nanomachines into Mikuru (by biting her) that would nullify her beam-firing ability.

Originally Posted by Adigard

Spoiler for Sushi-Y's post:

I'm going to assume (since it certainly looks like Mikuru) that the adult shown towards the end of the OP is indeed the adult version of Mikuru that appears in Vol 4 (I haven't read the novels, just guessing based on Sushi-Y's post).

Spoiler:

That's right, the adult-looking Mikuru is indeed the grown-up Mikuru from the future, who will be making several appearances in the story

Originally Posted by Adigard

Also... can anyone translate omgwtflolz's japanese quote's from the novel that he transcribed into the wiki? I'm assuming knowing the exact lines from the novels will clear up at least a little bit of the confusion... or just the gist of what he's quoting?

「これは朝比奈さんに元から備わっていた機能なのでしょうか？」
「ない」
「これは涼宮さんの仕業ですね。彼 女がミクルビームがあって欲しいと思ったから、現実がそのように変化したと、そういうことです 」
「そう」

Spoiler:

"Is this a function that's possessed by Asahina-san to begin with?"
"No"
"This is the work of Suzumiya-san, isn't it? Basically, since she wanted Mikuru Beam to exist, the reality was altered to be that way."
"That's right"

[Onizuka-GTO]

thanks sushi-Y for the translation!!

your definately a "friend of gaijins'"

But that really is cool, haruhi.....gets fricking everyday!

[Adigard]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

? So we're both saying that Mikuru isn't a "normal human with no powers at all", where's the contradiction?

Spoiler for Mikuru Beam:

First of all, both Mikuru and the contact lenses are "normal", that is, on their own, there's nothing supernatural about them (the lenses are perfectly normal lenses that you can buy from shops, and Mikuru certainly doesn't have beam-firing capabilities). The reason why Mikuru Beam appeared when Mikuru is wearing the colored contact lense is because Haruhi defined it as such. "When Mikuru wears the colored contact lense, she can fire laser beams out of her eye", that's Haruhi's definition, so that became the "rule".

Later, when Haruhi poped a different colored lense onto Mikuru's eye, she said "it doesn't matter, just shoot something unbelievable and attack!" And this time, since Haruhi was much more vague ("something unbelievable" rather than "laser beam") rather than a photon laser, Mikuru fired an ultra-oscillating molecular cutter beam out of her eye instead.

Kyon would've been killed if Yuki hadn't blocked the laser beam with her hand (that blackout you saw after Mikuru fired the beam was from Yuki's hand). Yuki then jumped Mikuru in order to inject nanomachines into Mikuru (by biting her) that would nullify her beam-firing ability.

Thank you ^^

That's exactly what I was hoping for! I've heard suggestions of what your post contains, but not to that level of detail. Sorry for the confusion of that portion of my post, I was just really unsure of the mechanics.

Spoiler for Mikuru Beam:

I have to say... as questionable as getting your system rewired to fire lasers from your eyes (when wearing contact lenses) seems to be... Getting bitten by Yuki seems a strange pay off... at least to the fans... in theory. I'm sure (as posted elsewhere by thelastguardian) it's not a very happy time for Mikuru at all.

[melange]

Originally Posted by Shirobane

Speaking of the club, how's that workin' out?

Well... There's the little problem of a fanclub thread not going down well with the mods and I can sorta see why after the Shuffle madness. But at this point Haruhi might not need an organized fanclub due to the sheer mass she's been able to gather and in such a short time too. We can continue discussing it here though I guess.

If a 'club' is set up I really do what to push the 'umbrella' organization idea of an overarching "SOS-dan" to reduce/de-emphazise inter-character-liker conflicts. So that a person doesn't as much join a "Haruhi Club" or a "Mikuru Club" but a "SOS Club with a further specialization in Haruhi/Mikuru" kind of deal and that anything more than mild jibing been members of what is essentially the same club shouldn't be tolerated...

[USB500]

I thought this is a sad, very sad (almost to the emo level) when I saw the title (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya????). Oh dear, look can be deceiving. ._. Is this somekind of attempt to revive the awesomeness of Excel Saga era, or is it trying to beat Excel Saga?

This series is added into my must-watch list! Confirmed! OHNOES I CONVERTED INTO HARUHISM!! must counterattack with Hresvelgr!!! >_<

btw, is it made by Kyoto Animations? (I heard from my friend that it's the same production behind AIR & the remake of Kanon)

[Shirobane]

...and Full Metal Panic: TSR and Fate/Stay Night...
Don't worry, you're in good hands

On the subject of the club:
It started out as a bug but grew into some sort of weird prototype signature attatchement...anyways, looking for someone with more skill than me to edit this



hoping to streamline for use with any signature and mabe make it look a little more spiffy.

[USB500]

Originally Posted by Shirobane

...and Full Metal Panic: TSR and Fate/Stay Night...
Don't worry, you're in good hands

whoa, didn't know that they also make F/SN

*goes to the siggy/avvy request immediately*

[Shinji103]

Geez. ALl I can say is that I hope they keep some of the humor aspect of the show. Although seeing what it looks like it'll turn into, it won't kill the show to go into serious mode. (at least, not for me )

*yes, I read all the spoilers. stupid me *

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Shirobane

...and Full Metal Panic: TSR and Fate/Stay Night...
Don't worry, you're in good hands

Kyoto Animation isn't responsible for Fate/stay night, Studio Deen is.

I WISH Fate was done by Kyoani, at least there wouldn't be any ridiculous 3D polygon dragons if it was done by them. And knowing Kyoani's high animation quality even for combat scenes, Fate would've been godly if it was done by them... *sigh*

Originally Posted by Adigard

Spoiler for Mikuru Beam:

I have to say... as questionable as getting your system rewired to fire lasers from your eyes (when wearing contact lenses) seems to be... Getting bitten by Yuki seems a strange pay off... at least to the fans... in theory. I'm sure (as posted elsewhere by thelastguardian) it's not a very happy time for Mikuru at all.

Spoiler:

Mikuru doesn't really mind having her body messed up by Haruhi, what Mikuru was mainly distressed about is the fact that somebody might actually get seriously hurt because of her. Kyon also knows that if he trys to stand in Haruhi's way, she might cause crazy things to happen again, that's why he endured Haruhi's arrogance throughout most of the filming. To quote Kyon: "If Asahina-san starts to shoot plasma fireballs out of her mouth, at the very worst, we might even end up having to go up against the self-defence force"

[mr.muffin]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

Kyoto Animation isn't responsible for Fate/stay night, Studio Deen is.

I WISH Fate was done by Kyoani, at least there wouldn't be any ridiculous 3D polygon dragons if it was done by them. And knowing Kyoani's high animation quality even for combat scenes, Fate would've been godly if it was done by them... *sigh*

Yea... I if onli Fate was done by KyoAni. It would be so much better. KyoAni's animation quality just rocks, they did a really great job with Air too.

Originally Posted by Shinji103

*yes, I read all the spoilers. stupid me *

I've got to stop reading all these spoilers too... haven't learnt my lesson even after reading all the Fate Stay spoilers. Surfing the AS forums is dangerous. ha..

[RedFrame]

Originally Posted by mr.muffin

Yea... I if onli Fate was done by KyoAni. It would be so much better. KyoAni's animation quality just rocks, they did a really great job with Air too.


I've got to stop reading all these spoilers too... haven't learnt my lesson even after reading all the Fate Stay spoilers. Surfing the AS forums is dangerous. ha..

Honestly with spoiler scatter all around .. its fun actually.Cookies for them . making me more exicited to keep watching the series.

[Shirobane]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

Kyoto Animation isn't responsible for Fate/stay night, Studio Deen is.

I WISH Fate was done by Kyoani, at least there wouldn't be any ridiculous 3D polygon dragons if it was done by them. And knowing Kyoani's high animation quality even for combat scenes, Fate would've been godly if it was done by them... *sigh*

My mistake T_T I kinda took KJ's speculation way back when and never went back to check. Mindyou it was pretty believable until the poor 3d Dragon came in

[Doraneko]

Not sure if anyone has noticed this, but I wonder why Kengo SHIGEMURA was listed in ep0's credits as the "ultra-editor" and "(Kyon)"...

And he seems to have disappeared from the credits from ep1 and onwards.

[kj1980]

Originally Posted by Doraneko

Not sure if anyone has noticed this, but I wonder why Kengo SHIGEMURA was listed in ep0's credits as the "ultra-editor" and "(Kyon)"...

And he seems to have disappeared from the credits from ep1 and onwards.

Because Shigemura Kengo IS an "ultra-editor" much similar to "Kyon" in the original story who was able to splice together that shitty amateur video into something that was at least viewable. In real life, Mr. Shigemura is renowned to be a top-notch professional editor whose godly editing skills are sought after by many tokusatsu SFX and anime productions whenever a situation requires his superb editing skills. He doesn't work for Kyo-Ani, he is an outsourced professional renowned in the industry.

[RedFrame]

Originally Posted by kj1980

Because Shigemura Kengo IS an "ultra-editor" much similar to "Kyon" in the original story who was able to splice together that shitty amateur video into something that was at least viewable. In real life, Mr. Shigemura is renowned to be a top-notch professional editor whose godly editing skills are sought after by many tokusatsu SFX and anime productions whenever a situation requires his superb editing skills. He doesn't work for Kyo-Ani, he is an outsourced professional renowned in the industry.

i found its interesting, so i check this guy out. Doing search at ANN and found this

Originally Posted by credit for ANN

Kengo Shigemura
Staff in:
Akane Maniax (OAV) : Editing
Final Fantasy: Unlimited (TV) : Editing
Full Metal Panic! (TV) : Editing
Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid (TV) : Editing (Studio GONG)
Galaxy Angel A (TV) : Editing
Galaxy Angel Z (TV) : Editing
Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo (TV) : Editing
Gate Keepers 21 (OAV) : Editing
Girls Bravo (TV) : Editing
Gravion (TV) : Editing
Hellsing (TV) : Digital Editing
Kaleido Star (TV) : Editing
Kiddy Grade (TV) : Editing
Last Exile (TV) : Editing
Najica Blitz Tactics (TV) : Editing
Rumbling Hearts (TV) : Editing
SaiKano: Another Love Song (OAV) : Editing
Submarine 707R (OAV) : Editing
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (TV) : Editing (Super Editor Kyon)
Yukikaze (OAV) : Editing

He looks pro to me

[Diaphanus]

Originally Posted by melange

Spoiler for Another (forced) recruitment banner...:

After the 'roman' flavor of the one above, I just could not resist making this one

Spoiler for De Imagine Haruhiae:

You can go a step further:

Alieni! Praesagitores!
Chrononautae!
Date Mihi Aures!

Coniungite Vos Cum S.O.S.! Alioquin...

[Reppa]

All I want to know is why Haruhui dosn't hate Kyon guts. Kyon the most normal chracter in the show has her attention not sure wether thats a good thing or not.

[melange]

Originally Posted by Diaphanus

Spoiler for De Imagine Haruhiae:

You can go a step further:

Alieni! Praesagitores!
Chrononautae!
Date Mihi Aures!

Coniungite Vos Cum S.O.S.! Alioquin...

Latin isn't my strong point so...

[kj1980]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

I WISH Fate was done by Kyoani, at least there wouldn't be any ridiculous 3D polygon dragons if it was done by them. And knowing Kyoani's high animation quality even for combat scenes, Fate would've been godly if it was done by them... *sigh*

Every great story should be made in the hands of KyoAni. I would love to see a remake of Tsukihime should that be done by KyoAni. Alas, the best we can hope for is the speculation that a TV series of CLANNAD will be picked up by KyoAni (as already speculating how Toei will be doing the movie version....meh)

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by kj1980

Every great story should be made in the hands of KyoAni. I would love to see a remake of Tsukihime should that be done by KyoAni. Alas, the best we can hope for is the speculation that a TV series of CLANNAD will be picked up by KyoAni (as already speculating how Toei will be doing the movie version....meh)

I believe the KyoAni version of CLANNAD is pretty much gonna happen, what with Kanon being remade.

A Tsukihime remake would really be a dream come true, and by KyoAni of course. Its been talked about up in the Tsukihime thread.. and i'm sure many people would love it.

And to make sure i'm not off-topic, KyoAni are doing one amazing job on Haruhi.