[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 7 Requiem of the golden witch

[Jan-Poo]

Frankly setting up stuff in a way that people would kill each other among family members, friends and lovers sounds a lot more cruel and villain-like than a psycho killing everyone with his own hands to me.

[MeoTwister5]

Yeah. That takes a very cold and calculated mind rather than some psychopath. Considering the relative complexity of the events since the first murder of Ep1, this seems to be the modus operandi of a mastermind, and such a character seems much more fitting for a story like this than a completely crazy one.

[Cao Ni Ma]

Blog info about EP8 for those who are asking about it

Spoiler:

Ryukishi07 updated his blog recently in regards to writing EP8 and what purpose he wants it to serve. Some interesting comments all around. The entry was translated by LyricalAura of AnimeSuki Forums.

本当にすみません、また日記を失念してました…。

I'm really sorry, I forgot about my blog again....

今日はいよいよEP8の執筆を開始しました。
プロットはEP7の時に比べるとかなり緩めに作ってあります。
もっときつく作ってから執筆をしようと思ったのですが、そうするとプロットに縛られて、苦しく なることもあ ります。
この辺りで一歩踏み出すことにし、とりあえず、書けるところまで書いてみようと、執筆を開始し ました。

Today I finally started writing EP8.
Compared to EP7, I took a lot more time creating the plot.
I wanted to tighten it up more before I started writing, but when I did that, I got tied up by the plot and had a lot of trouble.
So around there I just decided to move forward and write as far as I can for the time being.

EP8とは、どういう位置づけなのか。
実は竜騎士07自身、色々と迷いました。

How should EP8 be laid out?
Actually, even I myself was hesitant about various things.

『うみねこのなく頃に』の第八話、最終話。
これは迷うまでもないことです。
『ひぐらし』の祭囃し編だったなら、迷わずそう断言できます。

The eight chapter of "Umineko no Naku Koro ni", the final chapter.
"This isn't something I should need to puzzle over."
If it were Matsuribayashi-hen in "Higurashi", I could say that without hesitation.

しかし『うみねこ』の「散」は、各エピソードごとに、一つ一つ物語を終わらせています。
EP6では、戦人とベアトの二人の物語が紡がれ、結ばれ、
EP7では、ミステリー的な真相の解明が紡がれ、結ばれ。
実は、1986年の戦人とベアトを巡る物語は、それらの個別には描き終わっているのですよね。

But with "Umineko", each episode of "Breakdown" has been ending a story, one at a time.
In EP6, the tale of Battler and Beato was spun and bound together.
In EP7, the explanation of a mystery-oriented truth was spun and bound together.
The truth is, the story revolving around Battler and Beato in 1986 has already had its ending written in those episodes, right?

なら、EP8とは何なのか。
色々なものが紡がれ、結ばれてきましたが、まだ最後にいくつか、残っているモノがあります。そ れらに、本当 の意味で終わりを告げるエピソード。

In that case, what is EP8 for?
Many things have been spun and bound together by now, but there are still several THINGS remaining. This episode will bring a true end to those.
[Note: Ryukishi used hiragana for "things" versus katakana for "THINGS". Compare what he does with piece versus meta character names, if you like.]

つまりそれは、エピソードであり、ある意味、エピローグであり。
その意味では、第八話ではなく、むしろ外伝なのかもしれない。

So while this is an episode, it's also kind of an epilogue.
In that sense, it might actually be a spin-off instead of the eighth chapter.

最終話だから、飛んだり跳ねたりと派手で、大団円のエンディング。……その先入観が抜け切るま で、今回のプ ロットはだいぶ苦しみました。

"It's the last part, so it has to end with flying and leaping and a flashy grand finale." ...Until I threw away that preconception, the plot this time caused me a lot of suffering.

最終話というよりは、「最終話より、先の物語」みたいな雰囲気かもしれません。
……んーー、自分でもうまく説明できません。

Rather than the final chapter, it might have an atmosphere more like "a story of what happened after the final chapter".
...Ngh, I can't even explain it well myself.

そんな不思議な空気感の作品に出来たらなぁ、という意気込みです。
書き終わってみたら、普通に飛んだり跳ねたりなシナリオだったりして。そうだったらごめんなさ い（汗）

"It'd sure be great if I could make something with that kind of strange atmosphere." That's what I'm enthusiastic about right now.
After I finish writing, it might end up as a scenario filled with flying and leaping like usual. If so, I'm sorry (sweat)

「最終話」というより。
「終わりにするお話」。
そんなものを、描き切ろうと思います。

Not a "final chapter",
but "a story to put an end to things".
That's what I want to write.Edit: A recent live interview with Ryukishi07 also reveals that EP8 will have something that very few of us expected...

I don't intend for this to be the end of the story.
Episode six was the end of Battler and Beato's tale.
Episode seven was the end of (spoilers omitted)
Episode eight is...

It might not be that it's over when the writing is done.
Is it okay to say this? I might worry you.
Before, BT-san used to say things like this. If it were him, would he really say it? It might have a different meaning in that case. (TL note: Bit unsure here)

Episode eight has (a) choice(s)
You become a character and make choices from his point of view.
There's also (a) bad end(s)
The choice(s) are pretty tough.
Seeing the murder for the first time, you might not be able to understand at first

Translated by this forums own LyricalAura

[MeoTwister5]

So... he's giving a choice event in Ep8 where you get to choose the truth you have come to based on your playing and deductions throughout the series, thus affecting the ending?

That's actually a rather fascinating idea, having only one critical option to make in the series based on the culmination of your entire experience.

[Cao Ni Ma]

I think I remember seeing the kanji for the last part and instead of it being something like "tough" it was more like "perverse" or "sickening".

What I got from the blog + interview was that he was having a hard time conceptualizing how he's gonna finish it. Im pretty sure he has a definitive answer but was having a hard time on how he was gonna lay it out to us, so he decided to have it with multiple choices. The "bad" choices might show us a different truth that might lead us to the correct one.

Dont know! Im really exited about it though, its coming out in a little over 2 weeks now. Finished the semester, have WoW to hold me over, gonna re-read all of umineko about 4 days before the new episode comes out. Good times all around.

[AuraTwilight]

Spoiler for Yasu:

I don't see how Yasu is cruel or villainous or anything if she's setting up a harmless murder mystey game and someone hijacks it.

[witchfan]

I already read this blog post, as well as that part of the interview, and I didn't find anything relevant to how straightforward the answer will be. Maybe it's just my horrible Japanese (ask me how long it took me to slug through EP7), but I don't understand what you base your claims on, Marion. Has he stated anywhere that he won't be as straightforward as Higurashi? Mind, Higurashi required us to piece the solution ourselves, too.

[tcaz]

Originally Posted by witchfan

I already read this blog post, as well as that part of the interview, and I didn't find anything relevant to how straightforward the answer will be. Maybe it's just my horrible Japanese (ask me how long it took me to slug through EP7), but I don't understand what you base your claims on, Marion. Has he stated anywhere that he won't be as straightforward as Higurashi? Mind, Higurashi required us to piece the solution ourselves, too.

Previous interviews.

He's likened it to how people get more of a sense of satisfaction in MMO's when they have to work for equipment, but if the game just handed it out, you'd just be "oh cool" and be done with that.

[witchfan]

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, I don't recall there being a comparison of Higurashi and Umineko there (but I may be wrong), nor did he straight out define what "just handing out the answer" means. I'm guessing the solution will not be given to us on a silver platter, in the sense that, to understand it we at least must have made some progress in solving the mystery - which we have - but a bold claim such as EP8 will not lay out the answers, needs more justification than just one's unsubstantiated interpretation of an interview, especially when one implies it to be fact.

[Kurizu204]

You know i don't even know why people complained about higurashi revealing everything. I actually like that better then being vague as hell and telling your readers "i hope you paid attention lolololol" or "everything you think is true but maybe not cat box lol!"

[AuraTwilight]

Heaven forbid readers have to pay attention to the story they're reading.

[Nero Allelujah]

Being vague, but still providing hints along the way is what would make a mystery worth reading. If readers are not paying attention then it's as if they were not reading at all. I wonder how much fun it'd be if the truth was told right away with no reservation or build-up...

[Axilios]

http://darenome.wordpress.com/2009/0...i07-interview/

Is everyone talking about this interview? With the apple and everything else?
Doesn't fit with ep7 at all, to me. ep7 was really something like"answers on a silver plate", if you take it litteraly. The only things not that were not CLEARLY said were things that are not relevant to the murders. Talk about a red apple...

Well. A lot of people are saying that "It's an old interview, now he has changed his mind", but I find this reasonning stupid, personally. (and by the way, this interview is not sooo old).

I believe there was a direct comparison with higurashi in the interviews of ep 1-4, but it was about the ending.

And even with a context and even IF it makes sense with ep7 events (it will be hard), it will be REALLY, REALLY hard to find something which also work perfectly with what Battler is saying to Ange at the end of ep7... (If you take ep7 as "the complete answer" of course.)
I mean, even if there is a stupid excuse for "them" somewhere, people still die by their fault.
(the "them" is here because I don't feel like putting a spoiler tag for one word.)

[AuraTwilight]

Which is why people say EP7 Teaparty was just Bern being an asshole.

[Cart]

May contain spoilers about the "yet non translated" part of episode 7

Spoiler for Tea Party from Episode 7:

Not adding much to the conversation, but I also think that the events described in the "Tea party" are not really the truth...

Obviously Bern had great fun once again in crushing all hope for Ange and thus depicted the WORST plausible scenario ever possible for what happened in between October 4th and 5th.... Putting the stress on how terrible are her parents... I also doubt that Bern knows what happened really on the island, and she is outside the cat's box, and even proposed this Episode 7 to get all the answers... To me, this is not her conclusion but more like her playing with people's feelings.

For these reasons, I agree with Axilios because I also think that the "truth" Battler wants to tell Ange is not "so harsh" for her, and I think it will be more about how bad luck and bad time brought upon this disaster... Now, I am not sure we'll get any "real" truth, might also be a convenient story by Battler not portraying in detail the "dark side" (motivations) of all each characters so dear to the cute young girl that is his little sister, Ange....

Besides, I must say that, maybe because of the increasing number of fanarts featuring Gohda, I am really eager to see what kind of role he might play in Episode 8 because so far he's the most under-developed character, as he is not related directly to the events going on...

[Nero Allelujah]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Which is why people say EP7 Teaparty was just Bern being an asshole.

Well it does fit her personality just right don't you think? Besides she stated she was not the Game Master, which means she actually doesn't know the truth. This doesn't stop her from going into a different Fragment to form her own theories, like she's done before and did in EP7.

[Jan-Poo]

I think what Bern actually meant is that she didn't make the story she wanted to make but just the story she was commissioned to show.

I mean, we can have some doubts about the EP7 tea party but what came before was definitely something that Bern did. Certainly that catbox didn't exist in any reality. Plus it is apparent that the pieces were being maneuvered by someone.

[AuraTwilight]

I personally thought Bern was going for a "I'm not the Gamemaster, YOOOOOUUUU ARRRRE" She's talked to the readers before. Like twice atleast.

[erneiz_hyde]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

I personally thought Bern was going for a "I'm not the Gamemaster, YOOOOOUUUU ARRRRE" She's talked to the readers before. Like twice atleast.

Readers? Us? If I remember right, Judoh mentioned something similar to that sometime ago (said he found it in some other forum).

[AuraTwilight]

Might've been me. I remember stating that point of view somewhere else a long ass time ago.