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10: Amazing... | 5 | 17.86% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 7 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 9 | 32.14% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 3 | 10.71% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 1 | 3.57% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 1 | 3.57% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 1 | 3.57% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 1 | 3.57% | |
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2012-06-24, 14:07 | Link #42 | |
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Not a bad episode for what they were trying to do. Clearly will have an impact on Kio and take him a step further. Have Flit with no sympathy wanting to wipe the Vagans out, Asemu who just wants to keep the people he cares for safe, but not harboring deep hatred and finally Kio who has seem the suffering up close. Agree it was likely the plan to have him mugged since sending a guy dressed well, looking like a tourist into a poor area is asking for trouble.
I'm glad really we got to meet people like Deen and Lu. Needed some faces for the Vagan people who weren't military. Easy to have sympathy for Lu who has little time left to live and yet wants to live as much as she can in that time. Deen who is watching his sister go and who can only believe in what Ezelcant is saying. This is where the base of the military comes from though. People living with that viewpoint about the people on Earth and willing to listen to anyone who offers them hope. Of course at the same time the war itself is still stupid. With how easy it is to infiltrate colonies, Ezelcant could have moved his people out slowly. If they spread out to all the colonies at a moderate pace it would have been easy. Especially before he started a war that put everyone on high alert. Instead he starts this massive war, forcing people to prove that they deserve to live, and focusing on taking Earth away from the people living there. But anyways thinking about it, shouldn't be that hard to rescue Kio. I mean if Zeheart can easily sneak into a colony with mobile suits, then how hard can it be? The Vagan grunts are often as bad as the Federation so security is probably just as bad. I mean really who would want to sneak into Mars colonies in the first place ? Yeah, not bad for a lunatic who seems to have a kind of god complex. I mean who is he really to give trials and tests to people on Earth to find out whether they deserve to live or not. Guess those colonies he destroyed failed the test and just didn't want to live enough ? The man is a lunatic. Think it's impossible to take anything this guy says at face value. After all the point seems to be at least to make Kio sympathize with them and at best decide to fight for them. Quote:
Agree though, it's not like Mars is doing them any favors so why not move further out away from the rays? Because their esteemed leader needs a suffering population to fuel his war machine?
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2012-06-24, 14:42 | Link #43 |
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the thing about the vagan gov't's perspective is that war was the only option. they couldn't send refugees back to earth, the federation would destroy them and continue to cover up the mars situation. while they pulled off a pretty impressive infiltration of the earth sphere, from what it sounds like they have multiple colonies as well and a mass infiltration seems pretty difficult, try moving the population of Los Angeles somewhere else, it's not realistic. additionally, it's also a matter of human dignity, try living as a second class citizen or in a country that doesn't particularly like foreigners. there's really a lot to be said about living ignorant of the privileges one has have.
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So it's not farfetched for them to do so. Given how extensive their infiltration of the Federation is it's not that hard to dummy up some records and move people as "refugees" into the colonies and then Earth. Especially since they had the Prime Minister in bed with him it's hard to believe it couldn't happen. Quote:
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2012-06-24, 15:14 | Link #46 | |
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I also have problems with Ezelcant's claim Vagans become detached. When's the last time we saw someone like that? They're all pretty quick to avenge their fallen comrades. Except Desil, I guess. Or the fat guy. |
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2012-06-24, 15:26 | Link #47 |
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Regarding whether or not it's easy to transfer Vagans to the Earth sphere. Would people welcome them if they found out that the Vagans are plagued by a disease? All it takes is someone in power to encourage the people to reject, isolate, or even kill Vagans out of fear. Even if the Vagans are transferred secretly, they won't be able to hide their disease forever. Then there's the increase in financial burden that may come with an increase in population. Actually, he was very proud of the unity of the Vagans. I guess he was differentiating that from personal love towards family, friends, and loved ones. Obviously, it's not the case across the board. But what the brother was saying this episode kind of speaks to that idea.
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2012-06-24, 15:31 | Link #48 | |
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2012-06-24, 15:44 | Link #50 | |
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So who else would be there to contest it? We know that Ezeclant had a strong hold on the upper echelons of the Federation. He could've easily had moved large portions of the population over the century into the Earth sphere, take control of the the Federation and then initiate a coup. The guy's just been restraining himself because he wants the Federation to fight or at least train it like a lion. That and his military was more than capable of taking control of the Earth sphere when Flit was just a kid before the Gundam came in. I mean it's funny because previous spectulation pointed out the Vagans were time travellers that were trying to jump start the Federation military for an upcoming enemy that would be even more powerful down the road. |
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2012-06-24, 15:55 | Link #52 | ||
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As Ezelcant explained the Vagans live constantly with death. So much that they are slowly forget to care about their loved ones. As such for Vagans take death as something cheap. Basically, massacring thousands of people is like Tuesday to them. They care more about the way they die than the actual fact of extinguishing them. Yeah, the entire Vagan population is apparently pretty twisted. Although it's not like they're malicious or even just fueled with jealousy. Simply put, their set of values is just different. What's more, they know their values aren't the best but they can't help it. Hence they wish to settle on Earth. That doesn't suddenly make the Vagans morally right but hey! Everything is the matter of perspective. Quote:
So far Gundam AGE was hardly famous for its subtlety. I say this issue with the Mars Rays is either PIS (aka error of the authors) or the Vagans merely lack space stations potent enough to sustain themselves in the outer space. Th latter is more harder to accomplish than you'd think. As others said, EXA-DB's technology is probably so beyond their understanding that they could hardly use it for anything besides warfare. |
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2012-06-24, 15:57 | Link #53 |
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If the Vagans can hide giant robots in major cities, military bases, take control of factories, blackmail the Prime Minister and numberous other powerful figures in the Federation I don't see why they couldn't.
Especially if they had gone that route in the first place then Flit wouldn't have built the Gundam to begin with. I consider it strange that when Flit was the Supreme Commander he had so much leeway since in shows with similar situations the "corrupt politicians" always get in the way and red tape them (ie. reduce troop deployments, screw up development of new tech, steal money etc.). I just find Ezcelant's reason that he's testing the Federation to be....well....weird and make things more complicated than they should be. |
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2012-06-24, 16:31 | Link #55 |
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See the problem I have with that is the Vagans are suffering from disease. They don't have a lot of time and taking an extremely long route just make things more complicated. In Ezcelant's case he's dying and to top it off his subordinates are getting ticked off and will probably bring his ultimate plans to ruin.
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2012-06-24, 17:33 | Link #57 | |
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Sure they'd win but they would be bogged by insurgency. From his perspective the only way to connect to the majority of humanity is suffering. One can argue Ezelcant is delusional. His sickness isn't helping. Viewing young boys as replacement goldfish for his son and sending them to fight his war. That is what the Gallete brothers is all about. |
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2012-06-24, 19:08 | Link #59 |
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This would've been a great episode if they actually brought up that the federation offered peace negotiations several times, as Flit mentioned in GEN2.
Instead, imo, the Vagan's/Ezelcant just comes off as a butthurt hardhead that wants revenge instead of caring about the Vagan people at all, most of that " SUFFERING " could've been prevented if they just had those peace negotiations or well, asked if they could return to begin with. giving this episode a 1/10 just because its flat out dumb in so many ways that i'd rather rewatch the Fardain arc. This episode had so much potential that was wasted. It's like saying you love someone and do everything you possible can to hurt/screw them over, then use his/her pain as motivaton to continue Last edited by Znozzy; 2012-06-24 at 19:14. Reason: too much ranting |
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