2012-10-31, 15:25 | Link #401 | |
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2012-10-31, 17:35 | Link #402 | |
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2012-11-03, 12:16 | Link #403 |
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Sorry to break the debate a bit here, I recently just started watching TE.
I've been following what you guys have said and I'm nothing short of amazed that even with hordes of aliens on Earth people still find time to stab each other in the back. Also, on the effectiveness of US TSFs against the BETA, I know their main combat doctrine focuses primarily on ranged combat so does that mean their TSFs also have more ammo storage to compensate? Because more ammo storage seems kind of counter-productive on a high-mobility/stealth unit like the Raptor. |
2012-11-03, 21:09 | Link #404 | |
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Being the only superpower in the world,it's really rich |
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2012-11-04, 11:14 | Link #405 | |
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2012-11-04, 15:15 | Link #406 | |
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Throughout history it was not uncommon for nations or people to join forces together against a common foe. Nazi Germany is the one that comes to mind. People put aside their differences to fight against them. Even when they weren't involved they kept a distance until they were actually dragged in. And even then they simply kept out of each other's way. It wasn't until victory was actually near that they started planning for the post-war era where they would be enemies but at the very least they WAITED. Here they are acting like they've already won when they're no where near it. |
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2012-11-05, 00:47 | Link #408 |
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Not Exactly, since the line arts do show that there are limited reloads in internal storage for ammo. Approximately there are 6 reloads of the 36mm and 2 reloads of the 120mm magazines in the Shiranui per hip armor, for a total of 12 mags of 2000 rounds of 36mm and 4 mags of 6 rounds for 120mm.
However like all war stories, there is no count for the exact ammo level until someone shouts that they are low or reloading. In Muv Luv though, its been quite consistent in the sense that TSFs in combat for extended periods of time would be shown as being low or out of ammo pretty quick. And thus temporarily retreating to resupply or bumming a mag off a team member. Or they can use their swords, if they are not Americans.
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2012-11-05, 01:50 | Link #410 | |
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hand held assault cannons used by most TSFs are Chain guns. very different from a multi barreled Gatling gun. |
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2012-11-05, 04:24 | Link #411 | |
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The huge drum that is several dozens times larger than your usual 2000 rounds magazine? Which could potentially store about HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF 36MM ROUNDS? America is really rich |
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2012-11-05, 04:57 | Link #412 |
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Sorry but being based off of modern aircraft I cannot see the Assault Cannons being anything other than a rotary cannon/minigun/gatting cannon what ever.
I remember seeing a draft image showing the cut away of a Type-87 and noticing a multiple barrel weapon system within the barrel shroud. Another thing if you play the games you can here the distinct wind down of the weapon when the pilot expends their ammunition. I am trying to find the image but to no avail. I'll have to look at the integral works. EDIT: Hmm I see they call it a chain gun in the HUD. My mistake. I'll keep looking for that image though damn it.
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2012-11-05, 11:00 | Link #413 | |
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Depleted Uranium, which is used for most of the 36mm shells (Muv-Luv wiki calls them High Velocity Armor Piercing; I figure these are based off the Armor Piercing Incendiary shells used by the A-10 IRL), is actually easier to come by and cheaper than tungsten, which is why the US IRL uses DU to armor their tanks, make sabot penetrator shells, and as the penetrator component in 20mm SAPHEI shells for the M61A1 Vulcan. (USN uses tungsten penetrators on CIWS instead of DU due to safety reasons, btw.) During the Cold War, an oft-quoted price for a single 30mm DU API shell for the A-10 was US$30, which is ridiculously cheap when compared with the high costs of practically everything else, including smart weapons. So assuming that the drum holds say 5,000 rounds of ammo, that's only US$300,000 for two fully-loaded drums. A pair of Sidewinders would cost a lot more than that. But yes, US is rich.
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2012-11-05, 19:08 | Link #415 | |
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And as for the" wind down" noise you hear, well having operated a 25mm bushmaster chain gun and from firing the M134 mini gun before i can tell you that the electrical drive motor that move the chain and feeds the dual upload of 25mm rounds in the bushmaster sounds very similar to the motor that rotates the mini gun. While similar there is a distinct difference in the noise and i somehow doubt that the staff at Age knows the difference. Somehow i don't think you know how war time economy works, especially for a country like America. Last edited by Angrypokstick; 2012-11-05 at 20:14. |
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2012-11-05, 20:11 | Link #416 |
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Exactly what is the US' combat doctrine against the BETA?
Since everybody else seems to fall into CQC how do the US fair in ranged combat? With the laser class that would be difficult wouldn't it? |
2012-11-05, 21:09 | Link #417 | |
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Navy doctrine is to fly very fast, pop up and salvo missiles, and then dive for the deck, while putting down an impressive volume of fire.
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2012-11-05, 21:39 | Link #418 | |
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As Goose said, US Army doctrine is Fast In Faster Out, to prevent losses, quick strike attacks at maximum stand off ranges. Of course, this doesn't help with holding ground or taking it, as BETAs just ignore losses and push forward (No need to mention Hive combat). So basically US doctrine is best used to provide support for other forces that are holding the line on the ground. If they ever have to stand their ground in close combat with BETA they would be fked. That being said, no TSF forces would fight alone without supporting forces from Artillery and Obital Resupply, so if Laser Class are present, a bombardment of heavy metal shells first to diffuse the lasers can be expected. Then it would rely on the TSFs ability to dodge laser fire with random movements while moving in, which most Gen 3 and 2.5 TSFs can do. Spoiler for US in the Post Alt world:
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2012-11-06, 00:13 | Link #419 | |
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