2009-06-17, 05:22 | Link #41 |
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bush is an idiot but he doesnt try and pretend he was ELECTED by god what he said was said to an evengelist cleric he doesnt try and tell it to the public (and if he did, he would have been out of power the next week) and if people hear about what you just posted, they are more likely to face palm then anything else (certinatly not agree with the notion) the position of the presidency is a mandate given by the people and the political reforms mosavi supports are something thats INTERNAL it doesnt change the nuke progrem (he's partly responsible for its creation in the first place) or the international policy it doesnt change the basic idea behind the "revolution" that they are trying to export @yezhanquan you mean Tiananmen as in the massacre ?
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2009-06-17, 05:24 | Link #42 |
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Yeah. As I see it, the clerics definitely has this option on the table. Seriously, we don't need another Tank Man. Worse still is the worry that the tank commander would run over the chap/lass this time round.
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2009-06-17, 05:28 | Link #43 |
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there are ALREADY over two dozon dead
and the goverment is blocking out the media as much as possible but i dont think they would intentionally cause a massacre just to secure their position (its not really THEIR position, only ahmadinijad) one of the key Shia psychological warfare tactics that they used during the "revolution" is making the enemy look like a monster by causing massive civilian death i dont think they would be stupid enough to fall for their own trap
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2009-06-17, 05:30 | Link #44 |
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This would be similar to the situation in 1979. Though I doubt the regular military would kill millions of its own people. I guess the more troublesome party here are the revolutionary guards. Besides I am not quite sure who really is in power.. the QOD or the revolutionary guards. It would not surprise me if Khamenei is influenced by other factions and not such a supreme leader as some seem to think he is.
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2009-06-17, 05:39 | Link #46 |
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right now, what they want more then anything else is for things to quite down
if they end up killing people on mass, anyone who's annoyed by the election thing but not really motivated enough to do something about it would get the motivation this wouldnt STOP the riots, this would make the riots MORE violent and massive (right now its just the younger people protesting, what happens when the parents see their kids getting killed on TV) other countries might be moved into acting as well right now obama is trying to play it like "thats the iranian problem, let them sort it out" but it wouldnt be so easy a position to take it the iranian goverment were to start massacring their own people on mass no one wants to be remembered as the president who set by and WATCHED i cant see them "rolling in the tanks" as anything but the final option
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2009-06-17, 05:43 | Link #47 |
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Agreed. The clerics just want this whole thing to die away quietly, and it will be business as usual. But, there are definitely those who do not want to go back to the old days. So far, only the militia has been used.
Actually, once the tanks roll in, it's curtains down for the whole affair. How can it get worse?
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the western world should be HELPING them, not look away while they get beaten and broken by the revolutionary guard the west didnt CAUSE this upraising, the iranian people did people shouldnt be afraid of their goverments, goverments should be afraid of their people
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2009-06-17, 06:25 | Link #49 |
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It would take Iran potentially causing a serious threat to the region before anyone would be willing to step in, and then it would most likely be a more localized response rather than any western nations. At best I see the UN sending them some more toilet paper in the form of UN resolutions.
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and not just the west most of the ARAB world would be happy to see them gone the corrent iranian regime is the biggest threat to every country in the region (except syria)
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Khatami opened the minds of the youngsters to the outside world. Ahmadinjad now has trouble closing them. This is not going to wind up good. P.S Actually I am curious to know what is the rifle used to shoot at the civilians. Are they using the Khaybar KH2002 or just G3s? If they are using the former, it could count that their military strength has grown much to be able to challenge Israel in the Mideast on an equal footing. They reversed engineered the Dragon TOW into Toophans and the Israeli Cornershot (they claim they build it themselves, bullshit), so there is still probably alot of black box technology they possess that we do not know.
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Who claims that they invented the cornershot
The Israelies or iranian And I wouldn't worry too much about their army Having a better assult rifle doesn't mean much
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It is not just about the rifle, it would mean how much they have progressed in this 30 years.
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2009-06-17, 10:11 | Link #54 |
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Last I heard was their air force was rather poor (don't really remember much) and without it they can't pose much of a risk as an agressor
They could play bunker as hard as hell but any attempt at launching a ground offence against the surrounding nations is not practical They also don't have much of a weapon supplier (the russions don't give them the best stuff) Their main tactics would revolve around either gurrila terror tactics or a massive missile strike (the one field in which they have made a REAL progress)
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I doubt that, to both parts. If not for the past, Israel right now would not have minded to exile all the Palestinians there using force. They are playing it gentle, but the intention is there. If you apply the same logic to the nukes, you won't see a need for a strong provocation to initiate such a thing. I really cannot see an end to how far Israel can go, so I will leave at this. And about America's influence on Israel, I am also suspicious about how much of an impact the US can have, if Israel decides to use those. |
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The man led Iran to become a perhia in the international community
He turned it into a 2nd north Korea And he is in largepart responsible for iran poor economy Nukes are not much Use in anything other then a threat against out side enemies How can anyone view him as a good leader is beyond me Edit: And where did you get that bullshit about Israel planning to exile the Palestinians from Or that they are likly to use nukes without much provocation
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You didn't know? That must be a shocking news. There is a strong reason why they make the Palestinians suffer there, despite that being against human rights. They want to make them give up, and leave on their own. And, if you remember Israel's past, they are pretty much likely to go on the offensive before the other side starts its move. Strongest provocation means getting seriously attacked. That will never happen. Only the opposite is bound to happen in case of Israel. But, don't forget, they are a highly capable country to make that look as an accident, like the nukes they were planning to use on us exploded accidentally. |
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About your last question, because Israel's some acts cannot really be defended by the international community, except US. So, Iran trying to build that nuke doesn't get the same reaction compared to the case where Israel acts like an innocent. Secondly, the power struggle in the region gives a reason for some countries (opposing US's influence in the region starting with Israel) protect Iran openly or behind the doors. And with that much oil to share, and with guarantee that Iran cannot and will not hurt them, why not arrange some deals to make both sides happy...For them, who cares if Iran gets the nuke. It is not like they will use it against their country. Quote:
Yes call it honesty or naiveness. They have to keep their mouth shut and as their opponents do things behind the closed doors, instead of sharing them openly. There is a reason why US invaded Iraq, used the excuses of bringing democracy or killing the terrorists. Even though both were lies, they still initiated the act successfully using such excuses. Those countries should learn that if they want to survive. |
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