2008-08-11, 12:23 | Link #81 | |
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That hardly means Georgia is a faultless victim -- as far as we currently know, they're the ones who start the war after all; and yes, there is a lingering Russophobia in the West that Putin's successes in the global stage and his internal policies did not help alleviate. On the other hand, that doesn't mean your media is being better at fair reporting than CNN or (Xenu forgive me) Fox either -- I suspect it might in fact be worse, since your country is one of the key participants in the conflict and therefore very much has a stake to convince the world and its own people of one point of view over another. The US media is just out for profit and sensationalism as usual, a far less "weighted" concern IMO. |
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2008-08-11, 13:06 | Link #82 | |
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U.S stronger than Russian... That's pure bullshit. You wont know till a war ends. |
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2008-08-11, 14:24 | Link #85 | |
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Not counting nukes, the U.S. is much more powerful than Russia though (F-22 Raptor Air superiority anyone?). But, like I said, that doesn't matter. Besides, neither wants to fight each other. I like how both Russia and Georgia give completely different accounts on what is happening. I guess we can't know without actually being there. |
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2008-08-11, 14:28 | Link #86 | |
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It is also a moot point anyway. Even if the US is willing by the time it has shifted the necessary manpower and materials to georgia the war would have been over.
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2008-08-11, 14:38 | Link #88 | |
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That being said, I do believe that part of this war's inception was based on the false assumption, by the Georgian president, that America would come in to bail Georgia out when they got into trouble. I expect that the only aid that America will provide will be the return of the Georgian troops, and possibly some releif after the fact. As with many of these possible larger scale war scenarios, America will posture and pose, making itself seem big, but then let the countries stumble upon peace/cease-fire at their own discretion (this is how America has dealt with many of Israel's conflicts). |
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2008-08-11, 14:45 | Link #89 | |
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Yes, America is a big country so you have a lot of power now, but Mother Russia is no country to underestimate. Does not matter how many ways you look at it they can be capable of many things, especially in wars. Alas, the only way anyone would be able to find that out is if both countries were to have a full-scale war without interuption. That will never happen. |
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2008-08-11, 16:31 | Link #90 | |
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2008-08-11, 16:55 | Link #91 |
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"they can be capable"(c)
Ah, I've always been interested in the international view of russia. The feedback above seems curious indeed. Personally I'm against any war. I'd rather continue my japanese studies. Besides, any talk about russia fighting the us and the rest of the world would imply pushing the red buttons which surely won't bring any good to anyone.
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2008-08-11, 17:29 | Link #92 |
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One thing I'd like to clear up: I strongly believe that what was one of Russia's more primary motives for overwhelming the Republic of Georgia, when the window of opportunity opened up, was more simply to punish the Georgians for seeking NATO membership while at the same time sending a message to other former Soviet Union satellites that are now independent to not make the same mistake(s) as Georgia did. On the issue of resources I'm pretty sure that Russia has more than enough (not even including its ties to other major producers of natural resources), so it would not be valid to virtually exploit the smaller Georgian army and its people.
From a completely strategic perspective, the Russians played brilliantly by providing the South Ossetians Russian citizenship/passports in advance. Politically, with Georgia's initial attack on South Ossetia, Russian intervention was almost guaranteed and to an extent, "justified" for having "truly" made a number of the region's people "Russians" through their means. It was just a matter of what kind of intervention they would deal and in what form/shape. Either the Georgian higher-ups completely undermined the Russian reaction or the Russians did an extremely good gob of being deceitful with their intentions to get the Georgians to launch their initial attack that invoked such an overwhelming response. If the Russians don't stop at Gori, it could very well be the end of the Republic of Georgia as we know it. The real losers to come out of this, however, will be the people displaced/with their lives torn apart. I guess it's inevitable when it comes to these kinds of things, but the mere fact that it came to this to begin with is quite unfortunate. Hopefully they may get past it and develop even further once this conflict ends. I'm not sure why these U.S.-NATO - Russian tensions still exist today. I don't think either side would have anything to gain from completely obliterating the other. I really hope it's not as simple as a matter of pride/dwelling on the past because I would forever despise such people who would be like that and still call themselves politicians. In any case, on a side, military note, the Russians haven't been actively using any of their Flankers in this conflict. At most we've been hearing about the shooting down of Su-25s (Frogfoots; relatively old) and other TU- bomber models. But yeah, whatever Russia does after the fall of Gori will pretty much determine the future of the Georgian people. |
2008-08-11, 17:43 | Link #93 |
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This is payback time to Bush. Preemptive war in Iraq now allows anyone to do anything in the name of national interest. I don't see why Russia need to listen to anyone. US cannot afford to do anything at this moment. Flat out, no money. Bottomline, once again, loser will be UN. Does UN matter anymore? |
2008-08-11, 19:04 | Link #95 | |
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http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...t=67020&page=1 most people think the UN can be fixed. With the Russian-Georgia War curosites if anyone wants to change thier vote.
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There's also probably a degree of genuine desire to punish Georgia for its blatant attack as well. As a side note, if the casualty estimates are correct, far more people died from Georgian attacks than under Russian ones. For all of Russia's deserved reputation for military brutality, they've inflicted few civilian casualties so far. Quote:
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For the most part, Russia seems commited to not attacking the capital or occupying any regions of Georgia outside of Abkazia and South Ossetia on any permanent basis, but time will tell if that's true or not. The first test will be whether Russia captures Gori or not. This BBC analysis is a very good summary of some of the more prominent points surrounding this war: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7553390.stm. Quote:
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The UN was never meant to deal with troubles of this nature where one of the belligerents was a permanent member of the Security Council. Besides, it's not at all certain yet that most of the fault lies with Russia. Where the UN plays a role is that it allows for a forum for the relevant parties to discuss matters, and it may well be key to maintaining the peace after the war is over.
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2008-08-11, 22:54 | Link #97 |
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Its funny how the U.S warn Russia stop the attacks, what are they going to do about it start a war with Russia?. Bush is a hypocrite warning Russia I mean he and some N.A.T.O attacked Iraq because they have non-existent bio weapons. Russia has more that enough reason to attack Georgia than U.S attacking Iraq.
The Georgian president is an *$$ thinking that the U.S will support them by sending some troops. Ohh the U.S did help by giving their soldier a ride back home from iraq . I don't think the Russians need sophisticated weapon to defeat a small country. All they have to do is Overwhelm them. |
2008-08-11, 23:45 | Link #98 | |
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No one in the U.S. is afraid of Russia, or at least im not. |
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2008-08-11, 23:53 | Link #99 |
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Both U.S. and Russia have the power to destroy the face of Planet Earth.
....... More than 5 times over. So yeah, not much to be scared of. It all happens in an instant. Big explosion, and before you know it, we're all inside a continental mushroom cloud halfway to heaven. Man I remember when my teacher told it like that.
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2008-08-12, 00:03 | Link #100 |
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You're not afraid because you were born when USSR (1917-1991) was weakening. Talk to your parents and many American citizens born in Baby-Boom-era (late 1940s to early 60s) and they have very good reasons why you shouldn't fvck with Russia. Last edited by mg1942; 2008-08-12 at 00:35. |
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