2012-08-27, 14:10 | Link #281 | |
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2) I don't like grocery stores that only offer one choice, why would I want just one choice for a functionality? I'm not an outlier here, most people want some choices. The walled garden is a well-known corporate tactic, many, many corporations attempt it to "lock in" consumer units. Most have to be brought in kicking and screaming into some sort of open market (re: Microsoft, telco-pick-any, wireless-verizon-att, manufacturers-that-void-warranties-unless-you-use-their services). In the past legally, they have been considered anti-competitive when the courts have looked at it.
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2012-08-27, 16:21 | Link #282 |
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1. I think he means something like that companies should stop thinking about products as Hardware + Software + Services, but rather Product.
I disagree with him though. Apple's our way or the highway approach serves fewer customers better. The thinking of product as it's parts method serves more customers decently. Android is more popular than iOS because there is an Android phone for everyone. iOS has higher user satisfaction though. 2. You are an outlier. Average consumers don't like choices. They are idiots that need choices made for them. Most of the time they claim to want choices, but they are lying. If presented with a ton of choices, they will be quickly overwhelmed, become unable to make a decision of which choice they should choose, and end up not choosing any, and then complain that there aren't enough choices, because they have to lie to themselves that they aren't idiots that need choices made for them. Too many choices is probably why the iPhone is so popular. You can choose an Android phone, or get an iPhone. There are so many Android devices to choose from, consumers run to Apple to have their decision made for them. That said, the primary purpose of a walled garden is to trap customers in them so you can milk them more. |
2012-08-27, 17:06 | Link #283 |
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Quantity is not choice. Just because there are 10 products if there's nothing really different about them other then the name, there's not much choice there. Oh look 1001 linux distros, all suffering from the same shortcomings, preventing me from hopping over, clearly I am a dumb consumer for not seeing much of a choice there.
Also, everyone is quick to praise apple but just how much of their "good design" is just "patents and good lawyers"? It's really easy to look like you're the only one that "gets it" when you just cripple the competition. As I recall from a few talks and articles on in particular the iPhone (a TED one in recent memory), they didn't come up with the name, the concept, or just about anything else. They just took it, patented the shit out of every nook and cranny, and voila everyone thinks their some kind of godsent geniuses.
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2012-08-27, 17:24 | Link #284 |
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I just keep coughing "Xerox", "PARC", or "X windows" amongst the many pieces of ideas that Apple descended from...
<shrug> we're seeing what happens when patent lawyering in a broken system trumps innovation and competition ...
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2012-08-27, 19:29 | Link #285 | |||
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There are many potential reasons (Apple's "star power," timing and technology maturity, and so on), but having used some of the earlier products, I see the greatest reason as being the unified vision. Microsoft and Linux are designed so that they can be used across a wide variety of devices. It's not that the software developers never speak with hardware developers from other companies, but how much feedback goes on when software and hardware are designed? In many cases it seems as if the software has good features, but the hardware doesn't implement them properly (if at all; see Windows Vista's and Windows 7's handwriting support - which was quite good - as an example of a software feature that hardware never made good use of). Alternately, some hardware is well-designed, but the software, for what ever reason, makes the user experience very poor (which was the case with some of the early Android devices). Quote:
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For Apple, it's probably a combination of both aggressive patenting (not that they're unique in this regard) and their own abilities. I still maintain that the vertical integration was a major help to them, though. By way of example, take a look at the Microsoft Surface. It looks to be a beautiful device... but Microsoft had do what Apple does, taking it upon themselves to design the hardware for their software.
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2012-10-12, 11:51 | Link #286 | |
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Windows 8 pre-order has arrived two weeks before General Availability.
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Either way, I'll wait until after General Availability (maybe November) to decide. |
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2012-10-12, 20:01 | Link #289 | |
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their "partners" are already making Android devices. It is not like if MS is especially nice to them they would stop.
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2012-10-15, 08:57 | Link #290 | |
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I was going to pre-order a windows 8 pro upgrade for my 2 year old laptop, but since the processor doesn't have NX processor bit I've now scrapped that since I now know that I can't install windows 8 on either the laptop or my desktop system (and even if it could, I'd have to add another hard drive since I'd be getting a OEM version for that in case there's something that windows 8 can't run). |
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2012-10-15, 11:58 | Link #291 | |
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I don't know; it seems to work fine on my CPU, a 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo P8600. |
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2012-10-16, 07:36 | Link #292 | |
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I wasn't aware that the processors in both my laptop and desktop do support NX (known as enhanced virus protection on AMD processors), and I'll at least be doing an upgrade on the laptop (I'm getting an OEM version for the desktop since I'll be keeping it's original OS just in case there's something windows 8 can't handle). |
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2012-10-16, 08:58 | Link #293 |
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2012-10-24, 02:38 | Link #299 |
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So what's everyone doing operating system wise come the 26th for PC destop users who have a mouse and keyboard, no touch.
Are you guys going to get windows 8 or ignore it? It seems like a system built around touch, so not sure how well it will be received by typical desktop users. |
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