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**monir** · 2012-06-23, 03:54

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Miraluka · 2012-06-23, 10:46

Basically this is the episode in a nutshell for Kiritsugu.

Spoiler for OH GOD WHAT I HAVE DONE!?!?!?:

P.S.: Gilgamesh..... kono HENTAI!!

Proto · 2012-06-23, 10:55

Tears were shed.

Auria · 2012-06-23, 10:55

Gilgamesh needs to get confiscicated by the hot boy police >_>

Episode left me with a feeling of deep sickness somehow, which is good I guess.. emotional reaction is never bad. But oh so much suffering.

zRyuu · 2012-06-23, 11:01

Is that Taiga on 19:16?

Kaiba · 2012-06-23, 11:03

I guess they did as well as they could.

But as LN Novel reader, it still loses points for not including by absolutely favorite Gilgamesh scene in the entire series.

Spoiler for Awesome Gil quote:

claza · 2012-06-23, 11:06

Decent overall. It skipped around here and there, but I guess they were trying to cram a bunch into 20 minutes.

Saber's cry hit me like a rock and my heart broke into a million pieces - one of the things that I would say was much more powerful than the novel.

rainz · 2012-06-23, 11:07

Fascinating episode.

I liked that they moved Lancelot's resolution to this episode. It tied in really well with Saber's ending. Great decision by Ufotable. I think it makes for a really more emotional ending for Saber than the novel version. Well done.

Kotomine's Azoth scene. Fuck you, Kotomine, seriously. That was beyond cruel. Hope it comes back to bite you in the ass! (lol).

Only real weakness to the episode is the final conclusion with Kiritsugu and Shirou. I wished I could have seen more of their relationship before that ending. As such, I didn't really "feel" Kiritsugu's relief at Shirou's words. I did enjoy the Taiga cameo though!

Now I'm loading up the game to see the characters' redemption. I know I'm not the only one!

SoldierOfDarkness · 2012-06-23, 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Basically this is the episode in a nutshell for Kiritsugu.

Spoiler for OH GOD WHAT I HAVE DONE!?!?!?:

P.S.: Gilgamesh..... kono HENTAI!!

Did Kiri had any other option though?

DakkerDB · 2012-06-23, 11:17

Oh boy... the sadness at seeing it end! Was a wonderful episode to close off an wonderful series. Kerry's desperation, Saber's sadness, Kirei's mad laugh. Everything falling into place.
I seriously rejoiced upon seeing Shirou.

Though I have to admit, I laughed like mad when I saw naked Gil... that was just so out of the blue for me. Good stuff.

rainz · 2012-06-23, 11:22

...and Shirou, you sure have a loooooong road in front of you. You've inherited the most tormented heritage. Good luck to you and all this cast of masochistic heroes. Seriously, I had to pause after hearing Lancelot and Saber's words. He hated her but respected her as the perfect king. She broke down from the weight of her duty, but resolved to continue to honor her friends' sacrifices. Its like an exercise in masochism. Could there ever have been a good ending for them?

If nothing else, I really enjoyed this series as a commentary on the conflicting nature of "heroes".

Linkark07 · 2012-06-23, 11:27

Shirley: Kerry, what do you want to be when you grow up?
Kiritsugu: I, want to be a Hero of Justice.

Sad scene, in the end, Kerry couldn't become what he wanted to be.

Gonna miss Fate/Zero. It was a great ride and right now my favorite anime of this year.

Kirei, you really are twisted. Enjoying yourself while Rin was crying.

I think Ufotable really disliked Kariya, they trolled him and Lancelot a lot.

It was good to see young Shirou. Not my favorite character but after spending a lot of hours viewing his point of view in Fate/Stay Night will make you miss him in Fate/Zero.

Oh and Gil, kono hentai. That made me laugh.

DakkerDB · 2012-06-23, 11:29

And here's another thing. If, as Lancelot stated, they all saw her as the perfect king, why would she interpret that as a powerful motivator to make her kingship void? Saber is so damn deep in her self-loathing that she can't even take in praise for her reign. Such a tragic figure.

Theorder14 · 2012-06-23, 11:31

meh, no grown up Waver T.T?

konart · 2012-06-23, 11:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainz

Fascinating episode.

I liked that they moved Lancelot's resolution to this episode. It tied in really well with Saber's ending. Great decision by Ufotable. I think it makes for a really more emotional ending for Saber than the novel version. Well done.

Kotomine's Azoth scene. Fuck you, Kotomine, seriously. That was beyond cruel. Hope it comes back to bite you in the ass! (lol).

Only real weakness to the episode is the final conclusion with Kiritsugu and Shirou. I wished I could have seen more of their relationship before that ending. As such, I didn't really "feel" Kiritsugu's relief at Shirou's words. I did enjoy the Taiga cameo though!

Now I'm loading up the game to see the characters' redemption. I know I'm not the only one!

We all know how ironic it is.

Bern-san · 2012-06-23, 11:34

BEST.EPISODE.EVER:

That aside, Sakura was so scary after Kariya died (and made me want HF anime).
Poor Kiritsugu and Saber. Those scenes were so emotional.

Rider has indeed left a presence, he will always be in our hearts.
Rin and Sakura's mother...

Oh and let's not forget Kirei's Engrish

GuidoHunter_Toki · 2012-06-23, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainz

Now I'm loading up the game to see the characters' redemption. I know I'm not the only one!

Still won't fix the depressing feeling I get of knowing Ilya and Kiritsugu saw each other again and jsut how bad thigns did turn out for Kiritsugu (couldn't become a hero and died without achieving it). Damn did that guy have it bad.

I mean sure the people in the next holy grail war all find a way for the most part to live happily afterwords, but I think everyone, but Waver (and of course Gil and Keiri) in this grail war get royally screwed over.

Ah depression, how I love it.

Linkark07 · 2012-06-23, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter_Toki

Still won't fix the depressing feeling I get of knowing Ilya and Kiritsugu saw each other again and jsut how bad thigns did turn out for Kiritsugu (couldn't become a hero and died without achieving it). Damn did that guy have it bad.

I mean sure the people in the next holy grail war all find a way for the most part to live happily afterwords, but I think everyone, but Waver in this grail war get royally screwed over.

Ah depression, how I love it.

Kirei didn't get screwed up, in fact, the ending of that war was quite delightful for him.

GuidoHunter_Toki · 2012-06-23, 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkark07

Kirei didn't get screwed up, in fact, the ending of that war was quite delightful for him.

Yeah, which is why I edited that. I was kind of mostly refering to those with good intentions I guess. Heck all the villians had great endings, even Caster and his master.

Linkark07 · 2012-06-23, 11:43

Ah Kirei, even though he is evil and twisted for some reason I like him. Also took a liking to Gilgamesh.

That pair was great imo.

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2012-06-23, 03:54	Link #1
monir cho~ kakkoii Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 3rd Planet	Fate/Zero - Episode 25 Discussion [END] / Poll Welcome to the discussion thread for Fate/Zero, Episode 25. Thread Guidelines Raw requests and offers are not permitted anywhere on this forum. Spoilers or hints about future events must not be posted in this thread. If you need to reference something that would spoil a future event, reply directly with a private message, or seek out a more appropriate thread. Discuss your expectations of the episode if it has not aired yet. Be polite to your fellow forum members. Please try to keep the discussion on-topic. Do not post multiple times in a row. Please edit your existing post if you wish to add additional thoughts. Episode Thread Spoiler Policy Any comment that discloses events, characters, plot or other information before it is revealed in the anime is expressly forbidden whether or not it is behind spoiler tags. Spoiler tags should still be used where appropriate. Please consult the AnimeSuki Spoiler Policy for more information. Adding a Spoiler tag: Please use the Report button if you see any inappropriate spoilers: Posting inappropriate spoilers may result in a ban. Note: Reporting a post does not mean the poster will be banned instantly. The Moderators will use bans if warnings are repeatedly ignored.

2012-06-23, 10:55	Link #3
Proto Knowledge is the solution Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 39	Tears were shed. __________________ How to play Japanese games in Linux

2012-06-23, 11:03	Link #6
Kaiba Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Houston	I guess they did as well as they could. But as LN Novel reader, it still loses points for not including by absolutely favorite Gilgamesh scene in the entire series. Spoiler for Awesome Gil quote: A foolish question. It goes without saying. The King will acknowledge it, the King will permit it. The King will bear the burden of the entire world.

2012-06-23, 11:34	Link #16
Bern-san Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	BEST.EPISODE.EVER: That aside, Sakura was so scary after Kariya died (and made me want HF anime). Poor Kiritsugu and Saber. Those scenes were so emotional. Rider has indeed left a presence, he will always be in our hearts. Rin and Sakura's mother... Oh and let's not forget Kirei's Engrish __________________

2012-06-23, 10:46	Link #2
Miraluka Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 34	Basically this is the episode in a nutshell for Kiritsugu. Spoiler for OH GOD WHAT I HAVE DONE!?!?!?: P.S.: Gilgamesh..... kono HENTAI!!

2012-06-23, 10:55	Link #4
Auria ... Join Date: Jan 2009	Gilgamesh needs to get confiscicated by the hot boy police >_> Episode left me with a feeling of deep sickness somehow, which is good I guess.. emotional reaction is never bad. But oh so much suffering.

2012-06-23, 11:01	Link #5
zRyuu Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010	Is that Taiga on 19:16?

2012-06-23, 11:06	Link #7
claza Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004	Decent overall. It skipped around here and there, but I guess they were trying to cram a bunch into 20 minutes. Saber's cry hit me like a rock and my heart broke into a million pieces - one of the things that I would say was much more powerful than the novel.

2012-06-23, 11:07	Link #8
rainz original vampire Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: southeast asia	Fascinating episode. I liked that they moved Lancelot's resolution to this episode. It tied in really well with Saber's ending. Great decision by Ufotable. I think it makes for a really more emotional ending for Saber than the novel version. Well done. Kotomine's Azoth scene. Fuck you, Kotomine, seriously. That was beyond cruel. Hope it comes back to bite you in the ass! (lol). Only real weakness to the episode is the final conclusion with Kiritsugu and Shirou. I wished I could have seen more of their relationship before that ending. As such, I didn't really "feel" Kiritsugu's relief at Shirou's words. I did enjoy the Taiga cameo though! Now I'm loading up the game to see the characters' redemption. I know I'm not the only one!

2012-06-23, 11:17	Link #10
DakkerDB Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: In a basement	Oh boy... the sadness at seeing it end! Was a wonderful episode to close off an wonderful series. Kerry's desperation, Saber's sadness, Kirei's mad laugh. Everything falling into place. I seriously rejoiced upon seeing Shirou. Though I have to admit, I laughed like mad when I saw naked Gil... that was just so out of the blue for me. Good stuff.

2012-06-23, 11:22	Link #11
rainz original vampire Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: southeast asia	...and Shirou, you sure have a loooooong road in front of you. You've inherited the most tormented heritage. Good luck to you and all this cast of masochistic heroes. Seriously, I had to pause after hearing Lancelot and Saber's words. He hated her but respected her as the perfect king. She broke down from the weight of her duty, but resolved to continue to honor her friends' sacrifices. Its like an exercise in masochism. Could there ever have been a good ending for them? If nothing else, I really enjoyed this series as a commentary on the conflicting nature of "heroes".

2012-06-23, 11:27	Link #12
Linkark07 Yokoso Gypsy Join Date: Aug 2009	Shirley: Kerry, what do you want to be when you grow up? Kiritsugu: I, want to be a Hero of Justice. Sad scene, in the end, Kerry couldn't become what he wanted to be. Gonna miss Fate/Zero. It was a great ride and right now my favorite anime of this year. Kirei, you really are twisted. Enjoying yourself while Rin was crying. I think Ufotable really disliked Kariya, they trolled him and Lancelot a lot. It was good to see young Shirou. Not my favorite character but after spending a lot of hours viewing his point of view in Fate/Stay Night will make you miss him in Fate/Zero. Oh and Gil, kono hentai. That made me laugh.

2012-06-23, 11:29	Link #13
DakkerDB Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: In a basement	And here's another thing. If, as Lancelot stated, they all saw her as the perfect king, why would she interpret that as a powerful motivator to make her kingship void? Saber is so damn deep in her self-loathing that she can't even take in praise for her reign. Such a tragic figure.

2012-06-23, 11:31	Link #14
Theorder14 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	meh, no grown up Waver T.T?

2012-06-23, 11:43	Link #20
Linkark07 Yokoso Gypsy Join Date: Aug 2009	Ah Kirei, even though he is evil and twisted for some reason I like him. Also took a liking to Gilgamesh. That pair was great imo.