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2013-01-28, 05:18 | Link #5743 | |
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1. Cagalli wouldn't agree to persecution on any of Orb's citizens. 2. The focus of the alliance is on the war. 3. Kira and Lacus still led a peaceful life even after Orb joined the EA. I think that's enough to conclude that Coordinators in Orb are not being persecuted. |
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2013-01-28, 05:59 | Link #5744 | |
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2. Against the coordinators 3. They didn't, they left ORB on the AA before the treaty was official. |
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2013-01-28, 06:21 | Link #5745 |
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Episode 36
It's just one guy for crying out load. A whole military base can't capture one guy?!?! Well the plot keeps thickening. I don't mind the direction it's going that much but I wish it would do it better. Personally I don't know what Athrun was thinking when he decided to argue with the Chairman. The holes in the Chairman's reasoning are obvious. If Archangel is on their side then he expects them to come to him and if they don't then he can destroy them. I think the obvious solution is for ZAFT to try and contact Archangel for negotiations. Athrun could have easily pointed that out and yet he didn't. Maybe he realised the Chairman's real side then but we don't know and that's the issue. Like I said, I don't know what Athrun was thinking so i don't know what the story is trying to achieve. Was the story saying the Chairman's rationale looked reasonable on paper but Athrun knew otherwise or is the story saying the Chairman's rational had obvious holes but Athrun didn't feel the need to push? Episode 37 And thus Athrun survives. Cue surprise from absolutely no one. Well at least Meyrin survived too. I'd have been incredibly pissed if they let Meyrin die. I hope Shinn becomes a full blown antagonist now. He'd make a great antagonist. Spoiler for @ monster:
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2. Coordinators who are living in PLANTs/working for ZAFT. 3. Oh, right. Quote:
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For example, Orb could still choose not to invade other countries and not allow other countries to invade it while taking a side. They can do this by supporting the war effort of one side by providing resources and materials but not taking part in any actual battle unless the other side choose to attack Orb. The reverse is also true: Orb could be an imperialistic nation but remains neutral to the conflicts of other nations whose territories it has no interests in acquiring. Thus, while neutrality is one of the three principles, it is not the core. All three share equal importance and together make up Orb's ideals. Quote:
If they had surrendered like Japan did in WW2, only after the USA showed it had the means and the resolve to use devastating weapons to which Japan had nothing to counter with, then fine. But that's not the case here. Freedom and Justice were capable of dealing with the three AF Gundams. Quote:
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Like I said, if they weren't doing anything wrong then they wouldn't act like they have something to hide but they did. If it is clearly going against their ideals and they're acting like that then it very much seems to me on the level of the US government infringing it's own Constitution.
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But even then that's only one issue. Even if we assume Orb people decided to abandon those ideals, that doesn't mean they're suddenly going to accept the idea of allying themselves with the Earth Alliance, the very side that invaded them just two years ago. There would still be incredible amounts of hatred for them. Quote:
When Uzumi made his speech during his people's evacuation, he also talked about how if Orb started taking sides then they would become a country that attacks others just like the rest, so the ideals are clearly interlinked. The ideals can not be considered individually. They are considered as a whole. Quote:
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2013-01-28, 09:54 | Link #5748 | |
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2013-01-28, 11:36 | Link #5749 |
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So it seems.
Episode 39 Lol, that was pretty hilarious when the opera signing turned on as they revealed the new Gundam. Talk about melodramatic. I hope Kira doesn't start dominating the show now because frankly this has mostly been Athrun's show up until now and I'd rather they kept it that way. And I sincerely hope that Lacus Clyne hasn't just been making a new Gundam for Kira all this time. As if that would totally solve everything. Then again maybe it's better if that's all she does.
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2013-01-28, 11:56 | Link #5750 | |
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2013-01-28, 12:26 | Link #5751 |
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^ I was actually gonna ask about what the deal was with the final episode (I heard that there's an OVA that serves as a better final ending). Thanks for letting me know.
Episode 40 Lol, the Golden Mobile Suit. It never gets old. And Yuna proved to be quite the incompetent arsewipe. Amazing that this buffoon was able manipulate Cagalli. And apparently Cagalli was meant to be the Chief Representative... Well at least Cagalli has finally found her rhythm. A match up between Cagalli and Shinn sounds interesting. Hopefully it won't be completely dominated by the clear difference in strength between the two. By all accounts it should be a cakewalk for Shinn.
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2013-01-28, 13:15 | Link #5752 |
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^^^^^^^ You're in for a treat. The main MS fight in Ep 43 is very well choreographed imho. Although other viewers might think differently, its not surprising xxx lost because he let his emotions get the better of him.... Not revealing anything else due to spoilers....
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2013-01-28, 14:34 | Link #5753 |
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^ Thanks for hyping it up for me dude...
Episode 41 Another God damn recap episode. Episode 42 Well that ended disappointingly. Cagalli didn't get to have any words with Shinn and had to have her arse saved by Kira. Meanwhile Kira comes in and it's clear there's gonna be another climactic fight with Kira. I'm a bit mixed on Kira's reintroduction. It's obviously keeping in line with the story but that line is not to my liking. Kira is just way too perfect and is starting to feel a little flat. On the other hand, I really want to see Shinn get his arse handed to him. And all the signs seem to point towards a victory for Kira at this point. I hope Athrun will make his way in though. Episode 43 Thank God this show has Athrun... The fight was good but not amazing. I personally think Kira's defeat at the hands of Kira was the best so far in this season. I still call bull on Neo actually being Mu. We saw him vaporized for God sake. The battle of the princesses was kinda funny. That television broadcaster must be really schizophrenic. I wonder how the fake Lacus Clyne could have succeeded in her propaganda anyway. Interrupting a broadcast from an Orb representative that was very clearly giving a public message to the Chairman is a pretty obvious thing to do that suggests PLANT is trying to control it's soldiers. Surely those soldiers would be able to realise that?
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2013-01-28, 15:24 | Link #5755 |
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I consider the fight in ep 43 to be the best, genuine "actual" (emphasis on actual) fight between two aces in the show , for the simple fact that...
1. There was no bull. 2. No Hallucinations. (Ya'll already Know) 3. No Distractions. 4. No Nerf' s. 5. No Pilot being Half-Assed. 6. No type of mental breakdown what so ever. (Ya'll already Know) 7. Actual Choreography. 8. Not having your back turned and running away half of the time. You have to admit.... In this show. This show right here? This show right here? Is hard to argue against. |
2013-01-28, 20:35 | Link #5757 |
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For a second I thought you were being symbollic In my case my favorite fight was the Battle of Berlin due to how all the groups were organized. Not to mention the setting they used. The Destroy was strong but it is obvious that once flying support was defeated it was vulnerable to enemies. Also the way the Destroy was stopped was pretty good.
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2013-01-29, 00:15 | Link #5759 | |||||
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For example, just because I would feel remorse for stealing something from a friend doesn't mean that stealing is now on the same level as murder. Quote:
And as for the people's hate, it could go either way. Just because they would hate the AF doesn't mean they would disagree with the decision to avoid fighting the AF on their own again. Quote:
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What happens if Orb were to abolish its ideals? Nothing, Orb will still go to war when it wants to or not. But the people's relations with the government won't change and it doesn't affect any right they may have as Orb citizens. |
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2013-01-29, 08:24 | Link #5760 | |
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Episode 44 Well I’m glad it didn’t go overboard with the Lacus Clyne debacle. It is serious because it potentially shows the ZAFT soldiers that they’ve been lied to by their own leader but nothing else. Gladys is right: Lacus Clyne isn't the one giving her orders. But it looks like the whole thing with the Chairman doesn't matter anymore now that the attention is back on LOGOS and as Jibril ultimately proves to the final villain. I’d rather the Chairman was the final villain since Jibril is just too easy, but oh well. But I have to wonder now why Jibril just didn't do that before. Was the cannon conveniently finished after he escaped to Orb or something? Episode 45 Well it got me there. Jibril was dealt with quicker than I expected but what now? This means the Chairman really will be the final antagonist but I'm wondering what the Chairman will do now to achieve that. He’s been quite harsh when it comes to means and ends but it’s hard to see him become as much of a threat to the world (Or rather the solar system to be precise) as Jibril was. And did this show just hint as a MeyrinXAthrun end? I hope so. I've actually been hoping for a while now but didn't say anything because I didn't think there was a chance but it looks like there’s one now. I think they make a better couple imo. And as we turn towards the final arc, I can’t say any dam has broken nor can I imagine it happening in these final episodes. It’s certainly had its flaws but I'm finding it hard to consider it any worse than the first series if I'm honest. [EDIT] Episode 46 Ugh... ...Lacus Clyne... They wasted a whole episode on this. [EDIT] Episode 47 OH MY GOD, they wasted TWO episodes on this. Just get the frikkin story already! [EDIT] Episode 48 Durandal's plan seems a bit vague. What exactly is the Destiny Plan supposed to achieve. Turn you into a Co-ordinator? Or this "maximising your genes" some sort of Gattaca style society in plan? Whatever the case he's fallen into the obvious trap as labelling everyone who disagrees with him an enemy. And what's more he's decided to use that giant canon as well. Ehh...I'm not really thrilled with this direction since now it just seems like conflict for the sake of it. [EDIT] Episode 49 & Final Plus Well whatever misgivings I may have had about the set up to this conflict, this finale still ended up being very action packed and gripping. My only real complain here is that they didn't have the balls to kill any good guy except maybe Gladys (and no one cares about Gladys. I don't even know why she decided to die and abandon her son). Didn't expect Rey to be the one to shoot Durandal but it does make some sense and was quite the twist. Though to be honest I think going to extent of being willing to kill Durandal was a slight step too far. I expected him to simply not intervene and let Durandal be shot, not be the one to shoot. Personally I think it would've been loads better if Kira and Rey were replaced with Athrun and Shinn in that scene but that's just me. This was good anyway. Overall impressions Same as my impressions with the first season really. It had it's good moments and bad moments. There was a bit of a larger than usual hiccup between episode 46 and 48 but otherwise I don't consider it that much more flawed than the first season. Maybe the first season is slightly better but only slightly. One thing that i don't think I've mentioned (and is more to do with the entire SEED franchise as a whole) is how Orb is just so God damn ideal and just happens to exhibit a lot of Japanese culture. Seems a bit obnoxious but maybe I'm just looking into things too much. Overall Rating: 7.0/10
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