2012-03-02, 01:14 | Link #781 |
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With these contests, it's not about how important characters are in their series, it's about how popular they are. Disregarding that I think Kanade is more of a main character in AB than Yuri is, there are plenty of examples of non-main characters being more popular than main character. Haruhi being helped out in the Haruhi series may actually be a bit of a factor, because I suspect that a sizable chunk of her votes are from Yuki fans (judging by her performace in Diamond necklace match last year).
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2012-03-02, 01:18 | Link #782 | |
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What I mean by "natural preferential voting" is that each of us has an order in our own minds of how much we like certain characters. Whether we vote for our 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc... favorite girl will depend on if our 1st and/or 2nd favorite girl is there. Now, it stands to reason that if Azusa is my favorite character, then I might at least like Ui, and vote for her over girls that I don't know that well. But if Azusa is in the match, I'd be voting for Azusa and Ui doesn't necessarily get my support. After thinking more about it, I do think that in-series vote-splitting sometimes creeps up, and will largely have one impact - Negating the benefit of "name recognition" that comes with being the 3rd, 4th, etc... most popular girl of a very popular anime series. That's pretty much it, though, I think.
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2012-03-02, 01:18 | Link #783 | |
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2012-03-02, 01:22 | Link #784 | ||
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One would imagine that the main character at least played a role in the show's popularity in the first place. So if Haruhi benefits from the popularity of her anime, then that's simply to be expected, imo. It would be like Goku benefiting from the popularity of DBZ, or Ash Ketchum benefiting from the popularity of Pokemon. Of course he does, and he should; he's the main character! Quote:
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2012-03-02, 08:19 | Link #785 | ||
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As far as Kanade-Yui-Yuri...the thing is, whenever you have a clear #1 from a series, split votes usually doesn't do much. I mean, let say, you put Taiga & Minori in the same group, I seriously doubt that a split would kill Taiga, especially when it's picking 2 out of 9, not 1 out of 3... Of course, girls like Azusa-Mio, Hitagi-Nadeko, Kobato-Niku, etc. would be hurt quite a bit just b/c of split voting. I mean, this is not AST where you have faction strategically "giving up" on one girl in those 1 out of 3 matches...On a side note, though, there's still the Kyoko win in 1st half of Seeding despite a suppose-split b/t her and Mami... |
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2012-03-02, 11:35 | Link #786 |
You're Hot, Cupcake
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In terms of romance, Kanade is the main one.
In terms of plot/carrying the story, Yuri is. If you honestly think Angel Beats would have worked without Yuri, that is delusional. Angel Beats needed a more determined, strong-willed character to lead that crew and act as a polar opposite to Kanade. Which is exactly what Yuri did. Don't disregard Yuri just because she isn't that easy/quiet/kuudere type that has been the most popular archetype for the last 15 years ever since Rei Ayanami hit the screen.
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2012-03-02, 12:04 | Link #787 | |
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2012-03-02, 16:11 | Link #788 |
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At the end of the day, it's not about "Who's main", "Who's #2", whether "Yuri is main heroine" or not...
I mean, Kanade won against Yurippe with 6322-2323 (~73%), and against Yui-nyan, 4972-2008 (71.2%). So, basically, even if there's a split, it's more like 75-25... Now, since everyone can pick 2, the percentage goes even further down to maybe 85-15. And this is assuming that it's a 2 out of 3 b/t Kanade, Yui, and Yurippe. With 9 other girls, votes will get diluted even further... Hack, it's probably easier to argue a HanaKana split than a AB split against Kanade anyway... |
2012-03-02, 16:46 | Link #789 | |
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I do like Yuri better though.... cuz she's a "hater", of course.
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2012-03-03, 01:29 | Link #791 | |
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Somehow AnoNatsu could field some good candidates with Ichika, Kanna, Mio, Remon and Kaori. I would not be surprised if Yamano Remon was the next breakthrough character for the JC Staff faction. |
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2012-03-03, 02:23 | Link #793 |
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I didn't expect to like AnoNatsu either but am thoroughly enjoying it. The "let's shoot a film over summer break" proved to be more than a (possibly lame) gimmick, and each character is likable and cute in their own way. And especially Remon...
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2012-03-03, 23:46 | Link #794 |
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Everyone that says Yuri isnt heroine material for AB should go read the prequel novel Track Zero, shows you how Yuri and Hinata formed their SSS.
Hinata is more of an MC and more awesome than Otonashi ever was or could hope to be. Also you'll realize Hinata x Yui is one of the worst pairings the anime could've ever come up with if you read the novel.
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2012-03-04, 21:00 | Link #796 | |
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Participating in a Regular season can provide significant advantages, as a girl can develop a following that has voted for her repeatedly, and so are naturally willing to do so again. Of course the bottom half of the Regular season doesn't have this advantage as much, but still, it gives the top half an advantage over new girls. If Stella was simply for girls that have participated in previous ISML Regular seasons, and Nova for girls that have never participated before, then I think that would make the nomination battles more interesting. Also the entire Nova division will be nothing but new faces, which I thought was the main point behind the divisions. If the new shows for the year were weak, then you might see some older characters slip in a few positions, but I don't really see that as a problem. I'd rather see an older character as a new face in ISML instead of just seeing the expected faces winning with a bunch of weak girls as fodder. Indeed a bunch of new characters with a few old favorites that haven't had a chance to participate in ISML before would be a great way to attract new voters, increase ISML presence, and broaden the voter base. My suggested division method was rejected because there were not enough characters that had previously participated to fill out the nominations for the Stella division. Maybe next year will have enough previous participants for my suggested method of dividing the classes to be reconsidered.
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It's going to be extremely hard, if not impossible, for the new girls of ISML 2012 to build up this sort of momentum when they have to compete with Kuroneko and the Angel Beats! girls. Quote:
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2012-03-04, 21:50 | Link #798 |
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But, Kanade and Kuroneko will be old enough next year (I think) to be Stella only, thus removing them from Nova form 2013 (as it will be December 2010 to November 2012 for Nova by then). Any up and comers from this year will be "on top" next year unless someone in a 2012 show can stop them.
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2012-03-04, 22:31 | Link #799 | |
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2012-03-04, 23:46 | Link #800 |
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Nova division is already a weak enough division as it is. Making Nova only the new girls of each year would only amplify that. If that is ever done, then Nova should never meet up with Stella during single elimination(instead, each division should have their own individual single elimination and tiara), as they're just going to get raped by stella, anyways...And it's kind of like a free pass to single elimination for some Nova girls who didn't really deserve it, because many other Stella girls are stronger then them...yet because Stella is a much tougher division, it takes a lot more strength to make single elimination.
And I don't really agree with the notion that characters get stronger after participating in ISML for a year. Statistics show that most characters only continue to get weaker. They are generally at their strongest during their first year of participation...Barring there isn't a huge demographic shift or one of the characters has a sequel for their series.
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