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Alto x VF 171 | 32 | 12.31% | |
Ozma x Bobby | 13 | 5.00% | |
Ranka x Sheryl | 42 | 16.15% | |
Sheryl x Alto | 199 | 76.54% | |
Yasaburo x Alto | 5 | 1.92% | |
Ranka x Ai-kun | 38 | 14.62% | |
Alto x Klan | 14 | 5.38% | |
Ranka x Alto | 54 | 20.77% | |
Ranka x Brera | 37 | 14.23% | |
Klan x Michael | 101 | 38.85% | |
Ozma x Cathy | 111 | 42.69% | |
Luca x Nanase | 41 | 15.77% | |
Wilder x Monica | 41 | 15.77% | |
Alto x VF25 | 37 | 14.23% | |
Yasaburo x Alto's father | 10 | 3.85% | |
Alto x Brera | 18 | 6.92% | |
Grace x Ranka | 12 | 4.62% | |
Nanase x Ranka | 21 | 8.08% | |
Sheryl x Klan | 24 | 9.23% | |
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2008-09-04, 10:05 | Link #1861 |
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@solothurn: That's only because you're mistaking what I am saying;;;
I never said that her role as the main lead (not sole lead) is going to give her the best resolution to the story. In fact I'm quite sure I repeatedly said that it never gives her direct reasoning to win the triangle battle simple because it's a kawamori show. My belief that she would win is a nagging feeling at the back of my mind, and has nothing to do with facts. It's just ippie senses tingling, it deserves to be ignored. I never claimed that she is the best character nor the most likable. All I am doing is disputing against the people who blindly deny her position as the anime's MVP just because they favour another, and as I have mentioned already, the publicity releases couldn't label ranka as the sole lead lady without getting in the way of the point of the anime- which is its romance. It would have resulted in confusion, it would also give kawamori absolutely no chance to get get Sheryl a possible candidate to Alto's affections because it would be downright strange, 'cuz labeling instantly minorizes everyone else, and makes Ranka the only possible person to win in this game (which would kill the point of this sort of tuggawar triangle). Yet by the role Ranka is playing at the heart of the STORY, she s playing the traditional lead heroine role. She is the one that's central, not Sheryl nor Alto, but Ranka. So, Summary before I get mistaken again: Ranka = traditional lead heroine position. IS NOT the best character, DOES NOT have to win the best resolution because it is Kawamori, IS NOT the most likable character. CANNOT be labeled so in publicity articles without ruining the point of story. CAN'T WAIT FOR MORE SHERYL;;;; |
2008-09-04, 10:12 | Link #1862 |
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Well, ippus, we'll just have to agree to disagree, here. I don't concur with your conclusion about who is or isn't the MVP in the series, so, I'll just stay my course, for now.
Anyway, we both can't wait for more Sheryl, tho.
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2008-09-04, 10:31 | Link #1863 | |
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------------------------------------------------ Well as far as Ranka vs Sheryl goes, I really have no bias between the two. Because if i did i wouldn't be able to enjoy the series. Sheryl is Sheryl, Ranka is Ranka, That's how Kawamori made them and i love them both. I don't tend to think negatively against the two as it could cloud my perception for the whole series. I don't really care if Ranka is the most spoiled crybaby in the world and even if she is really Kawamori's little girl, also i don't see any Sheryl neglect even if there was im not one that harbours bad feelings for a character (in most anime shows i tend to like secondary characters more than the mains.), after all she would'nt have a lotta rabid fans if it were the case. Well two girls enter one girl leaves that is the rule of thunder~~ errr... love. no hard feelings. Guess i better rest for now i'm starting to get brain cramps again and starting to type broken words.
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2008-09-04, 10:47 | Link #1864 |
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Haha.
I despise Ranka XD I really do. I didn't feel so disturbed by her at first but as the series progressed I just couldn't stand her at all. I think i've mentioned this somewhere but after going to the summer Hong Kong anime conventions and sitting on the artist alley looking at Ranka posters and cosplayers walk by, I've started involuntarily twitching at the sight of green wigs. YES IT'S THAT BAD XD But even still, on a completely anime structural point of view, I'd see Ranka as the main heroine :/ Also, who cares about subs? Much of the actual storyline is crap anyway :'D *shot* Lately I've started just watching the raws...I found it was surprisingly easy to understand. Esp. when she pulled a Kamina on us seeing as a friend of mine wouldn't stop blasting that phrase to me over and over again X'D |
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2008-09-04, 11:54 | Link #1867 | |
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As for your "captive audience" comment... I can go along with only literally, seeing as they were all captives of the circumstances all around them - with the battle raging and explosions and death abound. But, other than that, you're just not willing to consider a character maturing or taking some responsibility, and only seems to think of it in terms of Sheryl wanting to exploit the moment and try to regain her popularity - something which is, arguably, not what was intended by the scene (and her inner monologue). But hey, to each his own.
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2008-09-04, 12:08 | Link #1868 |
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Haha Wesley84;; I think at this point you're in complete denial over the main aspect of Ranka entire plot, that being she WANTED to be a singer, she CHASED the dream, made everyone hype up for her then dumped it straight out the window over a guy that never gave any assurance to a 100% hookup;;;
Considering you did, I'm not at all surprised at where your opinions stand >A>; |
2008-09-04, 12:09 | Link #1869 | |
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Yup and going further...
In the Guld-Myung-Isamu triangle of Macross Plus, there was no clear lead character just like now in Frontier (although you could say it's Isamu because he was shown first) and the two guys played their part in thwarting Sharon Apple. Macross 7 was a Basara show. In Macross Zero, Sara and Shin ultimately resolved the conflict concerning the Birdman with some help from Mao. So you see, in Macross there's no clear correlation on importance on the plot and the victory in the love triangle. Quote:
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2008-09-04, 12:14 | Link #1871 |
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@CaptGloval: Oh I DO.
It just never makes much of a difference XD But come on, by plot itself MF is possibly the worst of its franchise (Okay...Maybe M7 is...but at least M7 was bad enough to be utterly hilarious...?). I'm only really here to see Sheryl's ending; Frontier can go burn for all I care :'DDDDDDDD |
2008-09-04, 12:27 | Link #1872 |
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Well, I'd rate Frontier only below Plus and the original SDF, if only for the music and some of the characters, so far. I'm willing to revise my opinion, as per the series ultimate resolution, tho.
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2008-09-04, 13:37 | Link #1874 |
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Oh, sure... you can defend Ranka with your own wildly imaginative assumptions, but when someone debates them with actual facts, you start again with "I say"...
And when it's time to judge Sheryl by what's actually happening on the scenes (be it visually, or communicated through internal monologue), you do the exact same thing, just because you seem to dislike her character - if only because she disputes the main love interest with Ranka, eh? How's that for an honest debate? Honestly, it's getting hard to discuss here with you, as we do seem to be going around in circles and completely diverging from the thread's topic, with no ammount of persuasion working on either "side"...
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2008-09-04, 13:41 | Link #1875 |
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Wesley, you make Ranka sound like some brainless twit who's apparently gullible and easily manipulated into caving into everyone's desires and has no mind of her own. I mean, your explanation for her actions for the first 60-70% of the show is that 'she does what others tell/want her to do'
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2008-09-04, 14:07 | Link #1877 | |
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Ranka is capable, but she gives certain people way too much credit. She could do what she wants, pretty much anything she wants, but what she does do is mostly because of other people. And that's fine, because the last thing I want her to do is become some egomanical tramp like Sheryl who steps on other people and thinks she's the shit because she has some talent while being a knockout. Ranka's kind of like Ozma. She doesn't have ambition, but she is values those close to her. I'm sure I'm going to hate. Sheryl's been a massive disappointment so far, and the one developement out of her that I would like to see probably isn't going to happen because it'd require to admit what is truly wrong with her's and Alto's characters. |
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2008-09-04, 14:20 | Link #1878 | |
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Personally I don't have him on ignore, but I also don't take his posts seriously anymore... ever since he went out of his way to pull people's strings. Oh well, here's to hoping for Alto x Sheryl endings!
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2008-09-04, 14:21 | Link #1880 | |
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Oh noes, one's a singer and the other spent his ENTIRE childhood being forced on stage. How DARE they be interested in the spotlight! How utterly shallow of them. Now they're trying to get their grimy fame-whore claws on poor little Ranka 8DDDDDDDD Wesley84 I don't think you're necessarily wrong on some points, but sometimes your viewpoints are overly biased, and a lot of your evidence only makes sense if the entire Frontier fleet was filled with jackasses aiming to drag Ranka down into a pit-hole of despair. @CeruleaFeng: I said this before but...by definition he's not a troll. He just has....rather peculiar opinions; |
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