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Madara | 104 | 32.91% | |
Madara’s Son | 14 | 4.43% | |
Madara’s Clone | 30 | 9.49% | |
Madara’s Ghost/Soul/Poltergeist given shape... | 33 | 10.44% | |
Obito | 59 | 18.67% | |
Obito’s Body, but not really Obito... | 55 | 17.41% | |
Someone else’s body (not Obito’s)... | 21 | 6.65% | |
Zetsu’s Love Child... | 23 | 7.28% | |
Tobirama/Sarutobi/or anyone with a 'tobi' in their name... | 16 | 5.06% | |
Bruce Wayne or other… | 69 | 21.84% | |
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2012-03-09, 15:55 | Link #821 | ||
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2012-03-09, 17:16 | Link #822 | |
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That being said, we still do not know when Madara died, so presuming that he died before or after Nagato or Tobi is a beyond simple speculation (consequently, it is also hard to determine when Tobi was created). (He could have just as easily died the year of the Kyuubi attack, or the year Danzou attacked Nagato, or any other time moments before Kabuto brought him back to life.) Additionally, considering the importance of Uzumaki blood, and Nagato's relationship to the clan, it is always possible that no matter the timeline, the eyes needed to be placed in an Uzumaki (this is speculation based on the importance that Uzumaki blood has been given, almost as important as Senjuu and Uchiha), or they could have been placed there (no matter the timeline) in order to start an eventual war from that location (a long long term strategy). Quote:
Additionally, we already know that Zetsu can replicate others DNA and chakra, so why couldn't he have simply replicated Madara's? And considering that the doujutsu copied by this technique do not fully work (the design can be copied by Zetsu, but not the full abilities), that could explain why Tobi has jars of Sharingans to use. Whatever the case, there are still methods available that do not require Obito. Quote:
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Whatever the case, i will say that it would be stupid to introduce a new Uchiha/character in the final chapters. So, Tobi is most probably either a character we know (Obito, Fugaku, Kagami, Izuna, Tobirama), a Zetsu clone or something similar (with Madara's memories or part of his soul?), or the Jyuubi (or something equally crazy, but has already been introduced). Then again, for all we know, Madara could have used his Rinnegan to bring someone/anyone back from the dead, then make them become Tobi and everything that follows. |
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2012-03-09, 21:05 | Link #825 | ||
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The fact is that we know nothing about tobi and his powers so everything is just speculation. we dont know when he was born or made how he knew madara or anything until Kishi tell us. He will most likey spend a few chapter explaining Tobi cause he really is a new character since edo madara came out.
Nagato awoken his rinnegan when the 2 leaf ninjas killed his parents so how did they madara give him that. Madara hasnt said that he gave him the eyes only tobi but we all know tobi is a lair so we cant take anything he say as the truth. Madara could have meet him and saw that he had the eyes and that why he thought nagato brought him back. Quote:
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2012-03-09, 21:16 | Link #826 | |
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No, it's been confirmed (I think) that the Space-Time Migration originates from Tobi's eye. But I don't think it's been confirmed that it comes from his Sharingan, given that it would have to be a MS technique, and unless I'm mistaken we haven't seen Tobi use the MS. |
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2012-03-10, 02:52 | Link #827 |
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i jusy wanna say i disagree with the theory abt madara's conscious or whatever is inside tobi(who is supposedly obito).first of all if it was obito with madara's conscious why was he so shocked/scared of kabuto summoning his own body?the only reason could be that madara's body was hidden/buried so well almost nowhere to be found but kabuto managed to loacte it.but there was more to tobi's shock that just this.madara gave the rinnegan to nagato thinking that he could be revived again am i wrong on this?because thats what ive been seeing most of u say.if he had done that why mindrape obito?and also tobi is in a way similar to nagato as they both had the same idea but different plans of peace.they both only saw hatred and pain.to my understanding madara wasnt like that at all.madara was mad about obtaining infinite power and wanted to rule.it was never mentioned that he wanted peace in the world.he wanted to rule the world using the moons eye plan whereas tobi is using the same plan to bring peace by controlling people.2 people with 2 different mindsets.tobi "MIGHT"i repeat "MIGHT" be a reincarnation of the sage gone nuts as the world is in chaos.thats why he has powers of the uchiha and senju in him.so he wants to change the world but he cant reveal himself as the sage.that is maybe why he is collecting all the bijuus to recreate the 10 tail.well if u guys read this and wonder why did he have to go through all this and wage war to bring peace?well he managed to do one other thing as well.by bring everyone together to from the shinobi alliance and fight for one cause.OR maybe this whole thing is he might be someone else who just wants to bring peace to world and going around adopting disguises and maniker Uchiha Madara just to freak people out.from this point out kishi has made it quite obvious that tobi is someone we "DONT KNOW".firstly he was going around being madara and when naruto confronted him he say he "NO ONE".why go through all the bull just to end up telling naruto hes no one?
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2012-03-11, 05:31 | Link #829 |
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but both their ideas of the moons eye plan are different.like i said madara just wants control over everything whereas tobis side to it is that he seems to have some kind of misguided/miserable/similar to nagatos past.both are 2 completely different ideas but just that moons eye plan is the only seems like the only way fot tobi.and if madara's conscious is in tobi why doesnt ET madara know it?he seems not to know anything about tobi.
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2012-03-11, 13:40 | Link #832 | |
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Tobi admitted to Naruto that he didn't care about peace so it seems like Madara and Tobi may have similar reasons as to why they are doing the moon eye plan such as making a perfect world for themselves. I think Kishi should have Tobi unmasked soon since its been too long. And now would be the perfect time to show who Tobi is since Madara may be beaten soon if Itachi and Sasuke genjutsu Kabuto to stop his edo's. |
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2012-03-11, 15:59 | Link #833 |
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Until the current chapter i was thinking that most probably it's Madara's brother. But now Madara tells that his brother left him only his eyes, implying his brother is dead, so if Madara cooperated with Tobi in the past then Tobi can't be Izuna.
Another issue is that if Tobi was yet another Uchiha then i think the story would be too much Uchiha centered in the end, and since Naruto will play a key role, it would be logical that Tobi is not an Uchiha. I believed that Tobi must be an Uchiha since when he talks about the Uchiha's history he appears to be very emotional, as if he were definitely part of the clan. But he did talk about Madara's story as his own in the same way, and we know he was lying. Unless he is a super-clone Madara made with some enhanced izanagi while he was dying. But being a clone doesn't seem like an interesting story. So i think Tobi might be an Uzumaki or a Senju or some other descendant of the sage of 6 paths. In that case he would be connected to both Naruto and Sasuke, making him a less Uchiha centered character. But for that Kishimoto must create a lot more of history, Tobi having flashbacks. |
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he does use a similar tech to kushina with the chakra chains for the bijou, but if he was uzumaki then I would think he would be familiar with their potential and not write off naruto so easily. an uchiha (especially one as old as madara or older like the RS' elder son) would write off an uzumaki as not comparable to the potential of the uchiha. he thinks of naruto (despite naruto's massive power now) as still inferior to him |
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2012-03-12, 13:03 | Link #835 | |
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2012-03-12, 13:10 | Link #836 |
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well when ET madara was summon kabuto did say that all of this was the doing of the man who claims to be madara.at that point ET madara didnt/doesnt have and idea of who it was.so why would u say that ET madara conscious/memories or whatever is in tobi.and also if it was did he plan to start a war when he "so called" transferd himself into tobi ?to activate the moons eye plan?how could he have possibly thought so far out?
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oh well dude.i hope whtever u say is right.cause i think of anything anymore lol.i just cannot wait to see who it is...haizz but i just wanna say that i highly doubt its obito with madara's crap oh and also where/when was it mentioned that madara gave nagato the rinnegan? |
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2012-03-12, 14:05 | Link #839 | |
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And I don't think anybody is saying Tobi should be somebody completely anonymous, though I could be wrong. |
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2012-03-12, 14:49 | Link #840 | |
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Tobi also says that he has no name and he doesn't want to have one, he just wants to remain a nobody. I think whatever clan and village was he part of, he decided to forget the whole thing, and don't care about it any more. So he "thinks poorly" of whatever clan he was part of, he doesn't even want to use his own name any more. Now that i think of it, not wanting to use a name is probably a hint that he had a name, and his name was well known, and he was probably part of a well known clan. And why would he be angry to the world and konoha as a senju? Maybe because he thinks that the will of fire and the peace with the Uchiha and the Senju being in charge of Konoha did lead to his clan going extinct. The only known Senju descendant that is alive is Tsunade. While the Uchiha survived until the massacre, the Senju seem to be extinct. So maybe Tobi thinks that it was all because of Hashirama's will of fire, maybe he was the Senju who opposed Hashirama's will to create an alliace between them and the Uchiha. If that were true he would think the same way as Madara: his own clan betrayed him. So it's not impossible to create a story like this, to make of Tobi a Senju. But i think it's more probable that he is either an Uzumaki or for example the Sage of 6 paths had a 3rd son, one who didn't become a legend, who didn't have a name in history. And i think that we already see the first signs of the story becomeing less Uchiha centered, and becoming more Sage of 6 paths centered. The flashback of the Kyuubi with the Sage, the sharingan turning into rinnegan, the clear signs that Naruto is the new savior that the sage was talking about. If the story become centered around the Sage then Tobi should not be an Uchiha but someone else, someone who is somehow connected to the sage himself and not just a random Uchiha. The sage's brother, the sage's 3rd son, the sage's rival, the soul of the 10-tails, all of these are a better choice than yet another Uchiha. |
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