Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA [manga]

[Rising Dragon]

This is not the Q&A thread.

[tuckersister]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

This is not the Q&A thread.

Sorry. Didn't mean to dig further.

I still think that Rin will have own part after heard that Matou exist in the other world. She will probably break off the group temporarily later in the story. Sakura might have been another reason why she went back to Japan. Rin might visit the other world's Matou manor out of curiosity. We will see how the story unfolds.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Well from what we know there are 4 grail wars before Miyu was involved.

How do we know that? Is it in the ch 32 spoilers? In Illya's home 'verse, the implication is that Kerry and Iri did something during or before the 4th Grail War to invalidate the entire setup on that world and save Illya from having to be the Grail vessel, but unless I missed it, we haven't been told much of anything about the Grail Wars vis-a-vis the MiyuVerse.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

How do we know that? Is it in the ch 32 spoilers? In Illya's home 'verse, the implication is that Kerry and Iri did something during or before the 4th Grail War to invalidate the entire setup on that world and save Illya from having to be the Grail vessel, but unless I missed it, we haven't been told much of anything about the Grail Wars vis-a-vis the MiyuVerse.

Illyaverse almost had one Grail War. The Einzbern were much more isolationist not asking for help. But the implication of Caren and Kuro it would not be a surprise if the Tousaka were involved. Rin being out of the loop. If the Tousaka are involved the Matou are not far behind. There are certain implications aside from the grail business if you look at the spoiler I posted. The the first ever Grail War would have started but Kerry and Iri put an end to it before it began. Oh wiping out the Einzbern too.

As for the Miyuverse Julian in the guise of his father Darius Ainsworth declared the 6th Grail War has begun. Meaning the 5th Grail War was around Miyu and 4 other grail wars where she is not involved.

We are not sure of the nature of these Grail Wars. Whether they used regular Servants or Install like Sakura has with Lancelot.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by GDB

No idea. Pretty sure what you originally posted wasn't what is displaying now, though. Think it was something about whether met the same fate as in F/Z without specifying which world you were talking about, hence the answer.

If he had been cursed by Angra Mainyu, he likely didn't know what it was. If he had found a wish granting device and realized it was corrupt and a dead end, after searching most of his life for a way to save the world, he'd give up like he did in F/Z.

I was trying to hint at what happened in Zero without directly spoiling it, but I guess it was pointless in the end.

Anyway, it still looked like Kerry died of the Grail's curse in the end. His final words are too similar.

I think the main difference aside from the Ainsworths and other family differences is just Miyu. In Zero's timeline, he gave up because to his knowledge, Ilya was the only Grail left, and whether he wanted to protect her or sacrifice her, he had no choice but to give up because he was too weak to get past the Einzbern's barrier.

In the Miyuverse, the Grail was literally in his grasp before her power waned thanks to her own wish to become human.

[ReddyRedWolf]

32 is out.

Ah so that is how Miyu became a genius and was too grounded in physics. Home schooling.

Miyu chose the biological sister route. Literally turning her genes the same as Shirou.

This world where Shirou hasn't encountered any Einzbern, Tohsaka or Edelfelt but the Matou are around. Rin is surprised and concerned of the later.

Julian has replaced Issei as Shirou's best bud and school president.

[Shadow5YA]

I wonder if Kotomine didn't exist in the Illyaverse either, which was why Kerry had no trouble saving Ilya and stopping the 4th grail war.

[GDB]

There's no indication that there were any grail wars at all before the one Kiritsugu stopped, though. There may have been, but there's no way of knowing for sure. We really don't know much of anything to do with either universe's divergent point. Plus it's not like Kirei had much role in the lead-up to the 4th grail war in F/Z anyway. If Kiritsugu had done the same thing there and chosen to save Illya and slaughter the Einzbern to end the war, Kirei couldn't have stopped him. All he could do is hunt him down later.

However, Kirei obviously existed AT SOME POINT, otherwise Caren wouldn't exist. And she does.

[alex_drian]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

I wonder if Kotomine didn't exist in the Illyaverse either, which was why Kerry had no trouble saving Ilya and stopping the 4th grail war.

Well, Caren exist, so...

[Twi]

Miyu's world feels depressing, even more than normal canon.

[FlareKnight]

That was a nice ending to the latest chapter. In the end the extent of Miyu's own wishes was to really become family with Shirou. I suppose in the face of that choice from Miyu there was just no way that Shirou couldn't make his own decision along the way. In the end that's all that Miyu wanted.

Just no way Shirou could make a decision that would basically damn Miyu, body and soul for eternity. Binding her to the world in order to save humanity.

Was interesting for that period to see the kind of distance that existed between them until that point. While she was able to easily call him onii-chan in the previous chapter, it was Shirou-san in this one. Miyu even catching herself mid-sentence changing father to Kiritsugu-san.

He couldn't play with her as a normal sibling, but he couldn't treat her like a tool. How Miyu was raised reflected the trapped between two positions that Shirou found himself. It was perhaps only after the end of this chapter that he could finally make a step to one side of it.

[GreyZone]

All the talk about "stars" reminds of the lyrics of the ufotable VN openings ARCADIA, HORIZON and Another Heaven.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

I wonder if Kotomine didn't exist in the Illyaverse either, which was why Kerry had no trouble saving Ilya and stopping the 4th grail war.

Funny that Rin didn't mention Kirei. Wonder if she met him as a kid. Caren is around so her father did exist.

I don't think they caught Caren's last name.

Illya can't make a connection between the sadist nurse and the sadist Mapo Tofu chef.

[The Green One]

That was a heartwarming end to the explanation about Miyu's origins. I wonder if we'll now see what lead to the current state of affairs.

[Wandering Soul]

That was a nice end to the dilemma Shirou faced and a heartwarming scene. Miyu is literally a miracle of the universe.

Now we will see how things ended up going south.

[bakapervert]

Any ifea how could Shiro become so badass in Miyu universe? Is gArcher going to make appearance?

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Funny that Rin didn't mention Kirei. Wonder if she met him as a kid. Caren is around so her father did exist.

I don't think they caught Caren's last name.

Illya can't make a connection between the sadist nurse and the sadist Mapo Tofu chef.

Spoiler for Fate/Hollow Ataraxia(?) spoilers:

In the prime Fateverse, Kirei's wife (Caren's mother) committed suicide in order to keep Kirei from doing so. In the prime Prismaverse, she may not have gotten that chance, or her doing so may not have dissuaded him.

Originally Posted by bakapervert

Any ifea how could Shiro become so badass in Miyu universe? Is gArcher going to make appearance?

Shirou always has the potential to be a badass. The very existence of Heroic Spirit EMIYA proves that. Whatever happened in Miyuverse Shirou's past honed him into a badass much as in UBW or EMIYA's original timeline.

[The Green One]

In the original FSN timeline Shirou was by himself. In the Miyuverse timeline he has an adorable little sister to take care of. When he's considering what her fate would be if put to work to protect the world his protective instincts are naturally going to come out, especially considering his cannon personality. That'll pull the badass to the surface for big bro.

[Twi]

Meanwhile, Ilya's is about as well-defined as a doorknob harem protagonist sans the badass.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Twi

Meanwhile, Ilya's is about as well-defined as a doorknob harem protagonist sans the badass.

Yeah he is side character.

We have our suspicions that Tanaka is Counter Force the question is whose? Alaya or Gaia?

I just learned Alaya sends TOHSAKA to eliminate one too many Grails in the multiverse.

Tanaka's mission is to destroy the Ainsworth which include Erika. Since Erika mentioned a Pithos there is some Pandora analogy going on.