[Manga] Chapter 423 Discussion

[Hunter]

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[AuroraFlash]

I don't want to go against any rules, so I ask first: is it allowed to put a photo of one page from ch 423 here?
Is it allowed to ask questions yet? Example:

Spoiler for question:

Does Kakashi really die?

Spoiler for thumbnail of a picture:

[Sakuranbo]

Originally Posted by AuroraFlash

I don't want to go against any rules, so I ask first: is it allowed to put a photo of one page from ch 423 here?
Is it allowed to ask questions yet? Example:

Spoiler for question:

Does Kakashi really die?

Probably not, since Kishimoto stated that Kakashi would be getting an arc; and I don't think chapters 419 - 423 could constitute as a "full" arc.

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by Tohei

Probably not, since Kishimoto stated that Kakashi would be getting an arc; and I don't think chapters 419 - 423 could constitute as a "full" arc.

I dunno.... Kishi has a bad habit of ignoring his characters.... Maybe his arc would be a flashback arc? Or maybe he did lose his sharingan...?

[haomaru]

From the pic posted it looks like pein throws some kind of nail to kakashis sharingan eye, there is something dripping from kakashis face.

[Nintendo]

a hero falls. he wont die, but it does look like blood is dripping from his face.

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by haomaru

From the pic posted it looks like pein throws some kind of nail to kakashis sharingan eye, there is something dripping from kakashis face.

Like I said earlier, Kakashi will most likely lose the Shaingan. That's actually a great idea for starting out his arc. Such a drastic change.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Heh, God Pein's powers remind me a lot of Blackbeard's from OP. In fact, Kakashi vs. Pein reminds me of Ace vs. Blackbeard in many ways, but that's neither here nor there...

Oh yeah, Pein. Looks like he can attract or repel anything at will. That's a pretty impressive power. Means he's virtually untouchable if he has enough time to react but he still can be hit given the fact that he choose to dodge Chouji's attack instead of repel it. And judging by the "marble" he's holding, he may be able to turn objects into projectiles by repelling them at high speed.

Also, I agree that Kakashi isn't dead. No foreshadowing, no flashback? (might be some in the chapter though). Does look like the attack could've caught him in his Sharingan eye, though Kakashi losing Sharingan seems kind of pointless IMO, unless Kishi plans to make a subplot of him getting back his powers. I guess we'll have to wait until next week to be sure.

[DeDe]

Originally Posted by Tohei

Probably not, since Kishimoto stated that Kakashi would be getting an arc; and I don't think chapters 419 - 423 could constitute as a "full" arc.

Kishimoto never said Kakashi would get an arc. He just said he would write about Kakashi and Sakura after Sasuke, later in the year. Naruto would have to wait. So he is doing what he said since he is writing about Kakashi right now.

Here's the quote.

2. What's gonna happen next year?
Kishi : Started with Sasuke vs Itachi battle.
I'm gonna write about mainly Sasuke next year. And Kakashi and Sakura, after that. Especially Kakashi. I can't tell yet but a huge event will happen to him.

5. Describe the color of Kakashi story which you just mentioned about.
Kishi : Dark Blue

Could losing the sharingan be Kakashi's huge event? That might take him out of the Hokage running. It might just go Tsunade to Naruto sooner than we think.

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Heh, God Pein's powers remind me a lot of Blackbeard's from OP. In fact, Kakashi vs. Pein reminds me of Ace vs. Blackbeard in many ways, but that's neither here nor there...

Oh yeah, Pein. Looks like he can attract or repel anything at will. That's a pretty impressive power. Means he's virtually untouchable if he has enough time to react but he still can be hit given the fact that he choose to dodge Chouji's attack instead of repel it. And judging by the "marble" he's holding, he may be able to turn objects into projectiles by repelling them at high speed.

Also, I agree that Kakashi isn't dead. No foreshadowing, no flashback? (might be some in the chapter though). Does look like the attack could've caught him in his Sharingan eye, though Kakashi losing Sharingan seems kind of pointless IMO, unless Kishi plans to make a subplot of him getting back his powers. I guess we'll have to wait until next week to be sure.

How would it be pointless?
You're a One Piece fan, so you'd understand the point of having the unexpected happen, right?
But that's aside from the point. As Kishi said, there will be a Kakashi arc, why wouldn't having him become stronger be a part of it? And the sharingan seems to be weakening him, anyway. (It's a massive drain on his chakra).

[Sakuranbo]

Originally Posted by DeDe

Kishimoto never said Kakashi would get an arc. He just said he would write about Kakashi and Sakura after Sasuke, later in the year. Naruto would have to wait. So he is doing what he said since he is writing about Kakashi right now.

Here's the quote.


Could losing the sharingan be Kakashi's huge event? That might take him out of the Hokage running. It might just go Tsunade to Naruto sooner than we think.

He is getting his own arc; which has already started. Call it a mini arc or whatever you want to call it since for now, Kakashi is the focus of the reader's attention.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by OtseisRagnarok

How would it be pointless?
You're a One Piece fan, so you'd understand the point of having the unexpected happen, right?
But that's aside from the point. As Kishi said, there will be a Kakashi arc, why wouldn't having him become stronger be a part of it? And the sharingan seems to be weakening him, anyway. (It's a massive drain on his chakra).

I meant it would be pointless to have Kakashi permanently lose Sharingan. Shocking but pointless. Rarely do characters ever lose the abilities they're known for. 9 times out of 10, whenever characters lose their power "for good" it's just a set-up for them to get it back somehow (Superman and Spiderman series infamous for using this stunt a lot. See Ishida from Bleach for a manga example). They may learn how to adapt to the loss of their powers, or get different abilities for a while, but eventually they regain the abilities they're known for.

So even if Kakashi lost Sharingan, I just wouldn't except it to be permanent. Frankly, I'd rather see a Kakashi arc focus on something else though.

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

I meant it would be pointless to have Kakashi permanently lose Sharingan. Shocking but pointless. Rarely do characters ever lose the abilities they're known for. 9 times out of 10, whenever characters lose their power "for good" it's just a set-up for them to get it back somehow (Superman and Spiderman series infamous for using this stunt a lot. See Ishida from Bleach for a manga example). They may learn how to adapt to the loss of their powers, or get different abilities for a while, but eventually they regain the abilities they're known for.

So even if Kakashi lost Sharingan, I just wouldn't except it to be permanent. Frankly, I'd rather see the Kakashi arc focus on something else though.

I wouldn't expect it, either... But then again... It would be a nice change of pace. Maybe he'll get a lot stronger without it?
With access to larger chakra reserves, and the fact that he's already adapted to having only one eye most of the time, I'd say that he's apt to becoming stronger from this situation.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Crap it would be really unfortunate if Kakashi loses his Sharingan. If that happens, he won't be able to effectively use Raikiri/Chidori anymore.

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by Spectacular_Insanity

Crap it would be really unfortunate if Kakashi loses his Sharingan. If that happens, he won't be able to effectively use Raikiri/Chidori anymore.

What?
When did anyone say that? If anything, he should ba able to use it more!

[Nintendo]

time for kakashi to get itachis eye.....oh yes.

if anything i bet next chapter will show kakashi and it didnt hit his eye, but his ear. So he dodged it just in time.

[Ryuujin]

Originally Posted by OtseisRagnarok

What?
When did anyone say that? If anything, he should ba able to use it more!

iirc, he needs Sharingan in order to actually hit anything with it...

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by Nintendo

time for kakashi to get itachis eye.....oh yes.

if anything i bet next chapter will show kakashi and it didnt hit his eye, but his ear. So he dodged it just in time.

One eye, one ear, he's running out of things he was born with two of!

Originally Posted by Ryuujin

iirc, he needs Sharingan in order to actually hit anything with it...

Explain.

[Nintendo]

Originally Posted by OtseisRagnarok

One eye, one ear, he's running out of things he was born with two of!

lol maybe not his whole ear, maybe just the bottom of it lol.

he doesnt need the eye to hit anything, he needs it to see the counter attack so he doesnt get hit himself.

[OtseisRagnarok]

Originally Posted by Nintendo

lol maybe not his whole ear, maybe just the bottom of it lol.

he doesnt need the eye to hit anything, he needs it to see the counter attack so he doesnt get hit himself.

Makes sense, but he still could use it, theoretically.