2010-11-14, 22:24 | Link #1081 |
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I have seen the anime in question (Seikimatsu Occult), and understand that comedy is a highly subjective thing, though my point was more about why Gainax is doing what they're doing then the results, though those are important too. Mostly, I just wanted to give a cheesy monologue about the relationship between art and artists.
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2010-11-14, 22:32 | Link #1082 | |
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And yeah, I guess Gainax can be silly if they want, it's their money. |
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2010-11-14, 23:20 | Link #1083 | |
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I actually loved both episodes.
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2010-11-14, 23:56 | Link #1084 |
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Requisite mecha-hate injection for the thread.....check!
This show actually still seems incredibly polarizing depending on where you go and what the episodes are about at any given time, although I have seen some absolutely incredible about faces from some folks who are now claiming to have always enjoyed it (ahhh the joy of blogs), but who previously shat all over it. I personally have enjoyed it since the very first episode since again I actually find it regularly funny which is a sad rarity for anime comedies these days. There's a lot to be said for the delivery style and what goes in to making the humour, something you can see is carefully considered with each segment. Calling it all toilet humour, sex and gross out jokes is frankly selling the show a bit short since it's kind of an ensemble piece of quirky writing, zany visuals, rapid fire voice acting cues, pop culture references, one-liners and an overall attempt at cross-culture appeal. About that last bit on cross-culture appeal, as a comparison when you look at the otaku in-joke comedies like for example Lucky Star or Pani Poni Dash that are among the most common forms of anime comedy today, the jokes are typically targeted to only one demographic, the hard core Japanese otaku. The jokes just can't translate well to any other demographic and still retain their full force of referential humour (it's like expecting a conservative senior citizen to "get" The Daily Show)....however innuendo's and references to franchises like Transformers can have an appeal to both Westerner's and Japanese otaku. In fact I'm hard pressed to think of a more major international franchise that North America and Japan have an awareness of than Transformers which was pretty big in both countries during the 80's and early 90's so I can't say I was surprised to see a segment like the episode 07-1 one. I can't see this not getting picked up for American release and possibly Adult Swim play and will be very curious to see what kind of cast they will put together for it. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2010-11-15 at 00:15. |
2010-11-14, 23:59 | Link #1085 | |
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2010-11-15, 00:17 | Link #1086 |
Sav'aaq!
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I took care of that a page or two ago. Some whippersnapper whose mama probably wasn't even out of elementary school when I was watching Transformers made the mistake of thinking "mecha" just means "having robots", and I was so flustered at the thought of great personalities like Starscream or Optimus being lumped together with some effete masked siscon's prissy revenge wagon or even a 300-foot penis extension (and those are two mecha series I actually liked) that I couldn't get out much more than a perfunctory denial. I've calmed down a bit since then, so maybe I'll make a proper rebuttal...
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2010-11-15, 00:26 | Link #1087 | |
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Thought to be fair if that's how you think of mecha I tend to think of Transformers G1 as being a rather messy show about gathering an extraterrestrial resource where everything is shoddily animated and like 3 characters actually stand out....one of whom has a whole bunch of clones since again the animation was cheap as balls. This coming from someone who watched the show as a kid for a bit and could just never get into it even then cause I couldn't follow any of what the hell was going on and sometimes neither could the screenplay writers since characters would sometimes teleport all over the damn place between scenes. It didn't get any easier with time either when I decided to borrow a buddies series collection. That said I loved the 1986 movie....probably cause it actually had a budget, plot, character development and that awesome rocking 80's soundtrack with Stan Bush and Vince DiCola songs. I also kind of liked the Canadian produced Beast Wars cartoons which again benefited from a budget, character development (I ask anybody who saw that show if they don't remember Dinobot's arc as a standout) and stuff actually happening that resulted in real consequences carrying over from week to week with each episode. Though again nobody ever seemed to just stay dead..... |
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2010-11-15, 02:06 | Link #1090 |
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I actually didn't really like the first episode. Not that it was bad, I was just never big into transformers, and it was just so damn random, more random than normal for this show. 2nd episode was great though.
Also, I don't know if it's been said, but did anyone else notice one of the sweets shown in the beggining of the 2nd episode (12:12) looked like a Behelit from berserk. Was pretty random.
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2010-11-15, 02:33 | Link #1092 |
Baby Got Back
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Lots of foolishly foolish foolishness going on here.
Anyway, I may have never followed the Transformers all too much, but somehow, I could tell that it was very well tailored to it's fans. There's a whole lot of little touches that make it feel like a retro throwback, specifically those hilariously cheesy laser guns. PEW PEW!! Also, have this: but enough of that, how 'bout that 2nd part? One thing I know about Gainax is their affinity with Giant Robots, but if there is one other thing I associate them with, that would be fanservice. Most other shows with blatant fanservice resort to "neko meidos" or accidental gropings to please their audience. But not Gainax; they don't do any of that. They make their fanservice into an artform. Besides the montage of countless outfits (fanartists are gonna go crazy with this) causing mass pileups and elderly stripshows, the final stripping scene delivered plenty of cheesecake without breaking the moment, like a lot of fanservicey moments do. It was absurd, but felt like a natural progression of sorts; at least in the context of these girls anyway. Final word: Kneesocks is adorable in a moustache, and Brief getting Panty's panties, assuming he won that auction, will become a plot device later on. Calling it here. |
2010-11-15, 09:52 | Link #1093 |
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Both parts of Episode 7 were great, part 1 was the best though, with it's massive Transformers references, I had wondered while watching, if those were the original japanese voices for Optimus and Megatraon, looks like I was right. Anyone else feel the need to find a Megatron Bobblehead, and mod it into Stockingtron?
Part 2 was also great, lots anime up scenes in this episode, saddly not one of the girls in their Bunny Suits. I guess I understood the last scene wrong, I thought Briefs, was selling the panties
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2010-11-15, 12:48 | Link #1096 |
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Yah. I'm a bit surprised a large group of people liked the second episode more than the first one, although in a sense I'm not really surprised. Goes to show how sexualized media in general has become in the last decade.
There wasn't a single joke in the second part that made me laugh. Panty and Stocking make a mess of their jobs. How funny. Now they're stripping for cash. Hilarious. No, no it's not hilarious. They're naked. We get it. Please stop. |
2010-11-15, 13:16 | Link #1098 | |
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edit:though I too would say the majority of people preffered part 1
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2010-11-15, 14:11 | Link #1099 |
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The thing I see more here (and on other non-TF-themed sites) is that even among those who did like the first part, there are still a lot who don't seem to have have been watching (or reading, in the case of the various comic series) anything TF-related in a while; those who might have watched the G1 cartoon in the 80s, or perhaps Beast Wars in the 90s, but none of the more recent stuff. I might be reading things wrong, though.
In any case, it's not like there aren't divisions within the current fandom over which series or medium they do or do not like; and how many of them like any kind of anime, let alone a series as loaded as this one. Oh, did anyone catch the seiyuu for the suicide-bot?
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