Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 21 Discussion / Poll

[Owaranai Destiny]

This is starting to sound a little more like the Gundam 00 threads.

Possible plotholes after going into detail? Check.
Bashing the animators and the series for those? Check.

I don't know how the staff in J.C Animation felt while they went about with Season 2, but I'd agree with minhtam2448 that there is a possibility Season 2 could be rushed, resulting in below-par quality of animation. It's kind of hard to criticise them too, especially when you're NOT working in the same line and know how it feels like being hard-pressed to release the episodes.

That being said, I was somewhat bemused by the turn of events that might have possibly happened in this episode, since it might contradicts my assumption that Sabrac was toying with Wilhelmina in the previous episode and considering Sabrac lived for only two episodes. Some villain, relying on his power instead of his brains.

[aroduc]

Silly insert songs are silly

And I find it hilarious personally whenever people spazz out over ZOMG JCSTAFF ARE DEAD TO ME AFTER ZERO AND SHANA. Even if those two were simply godawful, they only had... what... three other awesome shows last year? How dare their awesome to not-awesome ratio be only 50%? Can you imagine if Gonzo or Deen had that kind of success rate?

[teachopvutru]

Originally Posted by aroduc

And I find it hilarious personally whenever people spazz out over ZOMG JCSTAFF ARE DEAD TO ME AFTER ZERO AND SHANA. Even if those two were simply godawful, they only had... what... three other awesome shows last year? How dare their awesome to not-awesome ration be only 50%? Can you imagine if Gonzo or Deen had that kind of success rate?

Well, it's probably because Zero and Shana are pretty popular and people have high expectations of them. Personally, I think Zero II was awful, but I won't say the same to Shana II. That's not to say I'm not to the least slightly disappointed, though. From the novel's spoiler, I previously thought that Shana II would turn out to be a lot more epic and emotional than it currently is. However, that simply is from too high of an expectation, I suppose.

Or maybe it's because I'm starting to follow anime weekly, as oppose to marathon like in the past. I actually enjoy a series less if I have to wait weekly for it, unless that series has comedy in it.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by CapoExecutor

No offense, but don't you think that putting those novel spoilers here will catch the attention of the moderators?

Yes, it will. I added a whole bunch of spoiler tags, but please don't expect us to do that next time. Posting novel spoilers in an episode thread is a "bannable offense".

So, remember: 1) spoiling future events is not allowed, ever (even in spoiler tags), and 2) if it didn't happen in the anime, use spoiler tags (and make sure to say what the spoilers are from).

[Mai Kawasumi]

I love this episode full of action!

"urusai! urusai! urusai! ~ ahhh... music for my ears ~

[CapoExecutor]

Originally Posted by aroduc

Silly insert songs are silly

They could've tried putting the last forty seconds of Overture 1928 when Shana attacked Sabrac instead.

[Deathscyther]

Great episode. The action was very good and I loved the JOINT song in the climax as well. In my opinion it fitted the scene. This episode did have a final season episode feeling, especially with the inserted song.

But yeah, some parts of this season seemed kind of disappointing, but there were good parts in the season as well. Better to have the Konoe arc spread out over the first few episodes and in the end weaving it together with the canon stuff, then some stupid filler arc in the last few episodes, right?

I agree, season 1 was better than season 2. Probably because it was new to us and there was lots of action. And I think that some people watched it more for the action than for the story behind it.

But I wouldn't say that season 2 was disappointing. I liked the whole season except some of the Konoe arc episodes and the screwed up the love-triangle a bit. But besides that, they did a good job. They handled the canon-stuff pretty good in my opinion. Although the fights were short, they were pretty well handled. The animation was less good in the fight scenes sometimes, but that's because of the low budget probably.

And well, people who are complaining about there being more action in season 1 than in season 2. The novels they animated in season 2 had less action than the first ones, because this season was mostly used to drive the plot forward. Focusing on the side characters (Tanake, Keisaku, Yoshida, Wilhelmina, Yuji's parents...and of course Yuji himself), flashbacks (margery and Yuri), the love-triangle, the silver, and some other things which I'm not going to name here.

While in season one we got straight into the action with Friagne, and then Margery, and then the twins, while the world of SnS was slowly explored during the fights. Don't forget...the balle masque fights in the final episodes in season 1 were filler as well.

So overal, I think they did a good job with the time/money they had to animate this season. And don't forget, it's not over yet. We've still got a few episodes to go.

And we finally saw Yoshida doing something important as well! =D
This Yoshida is much better than the emo-yoshida.

[ThoHell]

Yuji was awesome....nuff said! Oh and Sabrac.....is one insane monster, I don't think any other opponent could have taken on so many opponents by themselves.

[lua thien]

About time she finally said the triple urusai after twenty episodes.

Originally Posted by CapoExecutor

They could've tried putting the last forty seconds of Overture 1928 when Shana attacked Sabrac instead.

Now there's an idea for the english dub but this comes from a Dream Theater fan.

The JOINT track would've been better if it was just instrumental because hearing Kawada Mami sing that during a big fight seems...

...unsuited for the occasion.

[Deathkillz]

Spoiler:

What the heck happened to the king of haxx?

Sabrac failed me for going easy on them ;___;

The fight was good even if it kills all logic on how strong the rest of the gang are for holding out for so long.

Margery was pretty cool and the insert OP fitted the scene...for the first 40 secs

The preview doesn't look good for the story...seems like they are leaving it for season 3 or something -__-

Highlight...zomg shana says urusai x3 at last! :O

[ThoHell]

Originally Posted by lua thien

About time she finally said the triple urusai after twenty episodes.



Now there's an idea for the english dub but this comes from a Dream Theater fan.

The JOINT track would've been better if it was just instrumental because hearing Kawada Mami sing that during a big fight seems...

...unsuited for the occasion.

Yeah, the triple shut up is something I haven't heard in awhile. I was like oh....it's back!

[Deathscyther]

Yeah, I was surprised with the triple Urusai as well, but happy nonetheless
I think this was used to show that everything's going back to normal again...to the peaceful days...

Spoiler for spoiler:

or at least..to make you think that

[Kinny Riddle]

Just after I thought last episode was amazing, this was jaw dropping it's hard to believe this isn't the last episode.

Pity Sabrac lasted only two episodes, he was too powerful a "boss" for his own good.

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

What the heck happened to the king of haxx?

Sabrac failed me for going easy on them ;___;

His "haxx" was snuffed out by Yuji and Margery, and Shana duly incinerated him, as well as all the other unfortunate motionless souls inside the Fuuzetsu.

Though they mostly had no idea they had already died once the Fuuzetsu was patched up. They should be thankful they didn't end up as Torches.

(It looks like "death" via the "good old fashioned physical way" in a Fuuzetsu can be undone, as no PoE was taken away forcefully. Denizens seem to need to trigger a specific process in order to steal a human's PoE and turn him into a Torch. )

Highlight...zomg shana says urusai x3 at last! :O

Quoted for Truth. Finally! This just isn't Shana without her trademark line.


Next episode seems to be another calm before the storm, as Yuji becomes resolved to stay and protect his city, come what may.

[serenade_beta]

Spoiler for ep22 preview summary:

Christmas Eve

The last day of the 2nd school term.
Ike Hayato was making a certain decision.
That he had to act to put a conclusion to his feelings, even though he knows that Kazumi likes Yuuji.
That evening, to put a conclusion to her own feelings as well, Kazumi meets up with Shana, who had the same feelings.
It's scary, but they will have Yuuji choose one of them.
On the other side, Satou Keisaku had finished choosing and come to a conclusion.
In regards to Margery's answer to his question in the middle of fighting Sabrac, it turned into a resolute purpose, he decides to borrow his father's power that he had never wanted to borrow no matter what, and declares to Margery, "I want to work at Outlaw."
Yuuji's will was strengthened as well.
His father, Kantarou, who had come home urgently declares good news.
This truth pushes him onwards.
"I want to protect this world."

<--Oh no...

<--this could get bad...

Seems my fears will come true after all...

[cnnydz]

Spoiler for preview:

^oh no not the letters, what are they going to do with the last two episodes

[Malintex_Terek]

I just saw it. I guess I was a bit hasty on the judgments, but the episode did look very choppy - the animation consisted of short cycling frames and were mostly illustrating the wind blowing, which was unnecessary. Art-wise it was all over the place, off-model designs in one seen OK ones in others.

I'm still unsure of what happened, but nevertheless I'm still rather disappointed.

Originally Posted by ThoHell

Oh and Sabrac.....is one insane monster, I don't think any other opponent could have taken on so many opponents by themselves.

There's one other who can...

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Kinny Riddle

His "haxx" was snuffed out by Yuji and Margery, and Shana duly incinerated him, as well as all the other unfortunate motionless souls inside the Fuuzetsu.

I'm rather annoyed by this loop hole...normally when people die they remain dead. But with yuji around, it is like a walking life giver (Jesus!)

Whilst there isn't anything to argue about, it is still hard to swallow how he can heal the whole town effortlessly

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for ep22 preview summary:

Christmas Eve

The last day of the 2nd school term.
Ike Hayato was making a certain decision.
That he had to act to put a conclusion to his feelings, even though he knows that Kazumi likes Yuuji.
That evening, to put a conclusion to her own feelings as well, Kazumi meets up with Shana, who had the same feelings.
It's scary, but they will have Yuuji choose one of them.
On the other side, Satou Keisaku had finished choosing and come to a conclusion.
In regards to Margery's answer to his question in the middle of fighting Sabrac, it turned into a resolute purpose, he decides to borrow his father's power that he had never wanted to borrow no matter what, and declares to Margery, "I want to work at Outlaw."
Yuuji's will was strengthened as well.
His father, Kantarou, who had come home urgently declares good news.
This truth pushes him onwards.
"I want to protect this world."

<--Oh no...

<--this could get bad...

Seems my fears will come true after all...

-______-

Season 3 of "yuji no harem" here we come...

[Deathscyther]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

-______-

Season 3 of "yuji no harem" here we come...

I don't think so.
I think they'll have something else in store for us than the harem.

[Kiyoru]

Wow, is it me or was this episode released super fast? I only just got episode 20 a few days ago..

[Sterling01]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler for ep22 preview summary:

Christmas Eve

The last day of the 2nd school term.
Ike Hayato was making a certain decision.
That he had to act to put a conclusion to his feelings, even though he knows that Kazumi likes Yuuji.
That evening, to put a conclusion to her own feelings as well, Kazumi meets up with Shana, who had the same feelings.
It's scary, but they will have Yuuji choose one of them.
On the other side, Satou Keisaku had finished choosing and come to a conclusion.
In regards to Margery's answer to his question in the middle of fighting Sabrac, it turned into a resolute purpose, he decides to borrow his father's power that he had never wanted to borrow no matter what, and declares to Margery, "I want to work at Outlaw."
Yuuji's will was strengthened as well.
His father, Kantarou, who had come home urgently declares good news.
This truth pushes him onwards.
"I want to protect this world."

<--Oh no...

<--this could get bad...

Seems my fears will come true after all...

Spoiler for Preveiw:

hahahahahaahaha Finally I cant wait... It's going to be the best episode this season... Don't fuck it Up J.C