2011-03-24, 11:10 | Link #1241 |
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Well think about it. The only people they typically fight are noncombatants and red shirts: not exactly people you can hone real skill on. Supporting that is how Cypha nearly crapped herself those two times Signum cornered her - she didn't expect a magic user to be that skilled, because they're supposed to be helpless against them.
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2011-03-24, 11:50 | Link #1242 |
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Hey, Nanoha hasn't had an opponent that could give her a truly dangerous head-on fight since the beginning of A's. Hayate hasn't had one. . . period. Their last opponent was an Sovereign-class Star Destroyer. Before that, it was Cthulhu's little sister.
I think that love 'em or hate 'em, the Hucks are the enemy this series needs. We've all seen the fanart of Nanoha blowing up a planet, and I think you'll agree that that's the wrong next step for the series. The Hucks are a challenge that Nanoha hasn't seen before, and the fanbase is questioning whether her hot-blooded befriending will be good enough. The point is that we're worried about Nanoha & co. again. And for that, I applaud the writer. Spoiler for The answer to the implied question:
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2011-03-24, 12:13 | Link #1244 | |
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Anyways, in the end if you've got a negative opinion of the Huckebein in your head, you will see everything they do as bad. In the same way, those who see them in a positive light will find a way to explain their actions.
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2011-03-24, 12:26 | Link #1245 | |
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Well, yeah, the first and second impression are pretty bad to me. Veyron VS. Tohma was mostly uninmpressive to my eyes and the fact that at the moment i didn't know a thing about him beyond "why on earth is Squall Lionheart fighting this kid?" only leaves me even more confused. My opinion on Cypha didn't count since it's mercilessly biased by my Signum fanboyism so i'm not gonna expand on that xD.
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2011-03-24, 12:34 | Link #1247 | |
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inb4 Stella will develop the ability to speak spanish and talk with animals while Arnage will gain an ice breath xD.
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2011-03-24, 12:49 | Link #1248 |
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So you've said. The lines are pretty well drawn on this debate, which is why I'm only weighing in with my opinion on the matter once. Frankly, I don't like the Hucks much either; they've been real dog-kickers. But if we can argue about the nature of Eclipse this much, it's plain we're missing some data.
If nothing else though, as enemies, they're pretty solid. We never saw anybody get ten feet inside of Hayate's attack range in the whole of StrikerS. But let's look at it this way: we really should have. Is it really too much to think that there are individuals powerful enough to stand up to the power trio? They have exceptional talent, but for the most part they are still normal enough that they could have their share of high-powered equals. The Hucks happen to have a condition that puts them into that category, or a bit above. I wouldn't call it overpowered so much as. . . well, I don't have a proper term immediately in hand, but I still wouldn't call it that. Well, even if I say all of this, I'm not a fan of zero-sum back-and-forth arguments, and I agree with main points of both sides anyway. Yes, the Hucks are rather nasty fellows, and it's hard to defend much about them. But I believe that the soul of the series won't be broken. I don't know where the story will go or how it will conclude any more than you do. I just don't expect to be disappointed. Like I said, have some faith in our heroine.
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2011-03-24, 13:05 | Link #1249 |
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Or in our hero, remember that Tohma is the protagonist here, not Nanoha. If anything, he's the only one with real chances of fight and defeat a Huckebein. Nanoha got defeated by him and ends near trounced(Subaru, Isis and Fate came to save the day). From now on things will probably lead to Tohma learning to control his monstruous powers in order to stop the Huckebein from "hurting themselves"(we're doomed to see some of the Hucks receive sypatethic treatement since the moment Tohma thanks them before his departure xDU.
My bet is on the heroes defeating the other hucks while Tohma confronts Curren or the true Big Bad of the season(leaving Curren to the entire Yagami family or the Aces Trio), and an ending similar to StrikerS but with the heroes ganging up on the villains (as Tohma fight show to us, it's the only effective way to deal with these people xD).
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2011-03-24, 13:32 | Link #1250 |
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Nanoha's still a heroine though. Not really the main heroine, but a heroine none-the-less.
Also, I highly doubt that any of the Huckebein will be the big bad or final boss. They've proven themselves a threat, sure, but not a very active one. There's no ambition to them. They just want to coast quietly through life without too much trouble. A big bad needs a grand scheme, an end goal that needs to be stopped. The Hucks don't have one of those.
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2011-03-24, 13:51 | Link #1252 |
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You know what I hope they won't do?
Introduce a character who wants to kill the Hucks, for like revenge or something, and have the characters go 'oh, no, that's wrong!' Also, Arcc, Vivio. If you have to duplicate your strongest move six times to defeat someone, they're a pretty good opponent. |
2011-03-24, 14:05 | Link #1253 | |
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Not necessarily. In Vivio's case Nanoha didn't need to go that far to defeat Vivio, but she had to go that far to get past Vivio's armour and overload the Relic to turn her back to normal.
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Whathever the big bad will be, i hope it appears AFTER some Hucks get his comeupance, the heroes deserve a fair victory for once xDU. EDIT: And that's because she was fighting a hopeless battle against a reanimated Belkan Emperor which require her to use Blaster-3 which means she's basically killing herself in order to just stand to the Sankt Kaiser's might. Starlight Breaker x5 was meant to disable the relic and effecitvely end the threat as apparently it's the only thing Nanoha can do to defeat her. Note that the fight was so hard that Nanoha sustain after-battle consequences. Nanoha make a tradition of fighting super-powered, brainwashed/confused/possesed, demigod people.
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2011-03-24, 14:43 | Link #1258 |
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I'm sorry guys, but... Vivio uses some crazy ability to fight Nanoha and you call her a worthy opponent, but when the Huckebein use crazy abilities to fight the others you say they're cheating? Am I the only one who sees a problem here?
Anyways, I've said this before but I look at the Huckebein as people who do bad things, but not necessarily bad people.
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2011-03-24, 14:48 | Link #1260 |
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I wasn't even really talking about that, just pointing out that Vivio was an opponent that matched Nanoha. Hell, even before that, Reinforce was schooling her.
And hopefully we'll be able to talk about something else once the manga stops rubbing our faces in them for the moment. |
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