2012-08-01, 15:18 | Link #141 |
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IMHO Argos Team very experienced in distant combat, not close combat. If they had a real ammo, instead of virtual they have in their fight with Yui, then Japanese soldier could never come back in one piece.
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2012-08-01, 15:40 | Link #142 | |
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It's better to get used to close combat with the BETA, if your too used to long distant fighting, you will easily lose to the BETA. |
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2012-08-01, 16:09 | Link #143 |
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I really doubt that fighting BETA in melee is a good idea. While indeed a good BETA-fighter should know how to fight in close combat, but it's never was a main doctrine of anti-BETA combat. It's just like a marital artist fighting large bunch of thugs, he may easily dispatch them in one-on-one but he simple will eventually overrun by sheer number an ferocity. I mean, while Argos team know few tricks in melee. the shooting their main strength. Just look at their CC weapon (knives) and compare to Yui's (sword)...
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2012-08-01, 17:19 | Link #144 |
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Good idea or not a melee weapon lasts much longer than ones that require ammo because of how much BETA there are.
You missed the part where they said Tarisa's specialty is melee combat which she demonstrated when she easily beat Yuuya in melee. |
2012-08-01, 17:26 | Link #145 | |
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Regardless of whether it is a good idea, the majority of the frontline countries TSF focus on melee, speed, and maneuverability for a reason. Because it's effective. |
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2012-08-01, 22:47 | Link #148 | |
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2012-08-01, 23:10 | Link #149 | ||
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And against BETA, swords are meant to supplement the guns, and can do lots of damage in the right hands. Only America sees it differently. The rest of the world have adopted melee weapons against BETA as a doctrine. You can check in the Mil Tac thread for more info if interested.
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2012-08-02, 01:26 | Link #150 |
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It's generally acknowledged that while close combat with BETA is the last thing anyone want, it is something that WILL happen in Hive infiltration because you WILL eventually run out of ammo. Also the countries' circumstances dictate that Anti-Beta doctrine. USA have all the logistics it needed, so it can take long-range fighting as a mainstay tactic because it have the industry and logistic to back it up; also their bomb fetish that make them nuke or G-bomb the shit out of stuff before sending in the guys. Asia and Europe, and possibly Africa, don't have such luxury.
EDIT: Think of it like WWI trench warfare. Generals sent waves after waves of poor guys to their deaths because they could not find another way around it. They built such a wide network of trenches that they could NOT think about tactics such as flanking, and even if they tried, the machine guns would have taken care of the soldiers once they were in range. The breakthrough happened with the America joining the allies, and eventual release of the first tanks. Muv-Luvverse need something similar to what the tanks did. A technological breakthrough for warfare that solves the supply problem or/and help denying the superiority given by laser class. Last edited by Sheba; 2012-08-02 at 01:37. |
2012-08-02, 07:06 | Link #151 | ||
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Example, Transformer's Grimlock's melee combat vs swarm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm-l1_7y2N4 Using Unreal Engine 3 for rapid animation development example http://www.unrealengine.com/showcase...sion/lazytown/ For cheap body movement capture, use Microsoft Kinect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlRSNxryINs Btw, MuvLuv's mecha designs are to similar Armored Core IV/V and it uses real time 3D graphics engine(on old hardware). Last edited by encia; 2012-08-02 at 08:58. |
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2012-08-02, 07:22 | Link #153 |
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That's because Tarisa was pissed off at Yui since she had chewed Yuuya out earlier and than arrives on the battlefield without warning. It also doesn't say much since her team jumps the gun too anyway. If anything Yui did it on purpose since it isn't that hard to see how easily Tarisa gets angry at things and that the other two treat Tarisa as a little sister.
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2012-08-02, 08:14 | Link #154 | ||
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2012-08-02, 08:49 | Link #155 |
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The setting wasn't professional at all since they didn't expect Yui being there nor were they told. Don't forget that Yui brought real weapons to the training exercise and we already know that Tarisa has issues with her anger.
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2012-08-02, 08:50 | Link #156 |
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Do note that one of the most used training methods used by military professionals, is that if talent is spotted, RIDE THEM HARD... Never give them a chance to let up, or grow complacent. Make sure they keep guessing at your approval. The ones who last through the process would know that they have done something to be proud of. A single word of praise at the right time is much more effective than constant sugar and spice.
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For Yui's time between anime episode 2 and 3, read the magna issue 1. Spoiler for Magna issue 1:
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2012-08-02, 10:03 | Link #158 |
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That's the whole point. Make them think they are the lowest organisms not even worth the effort of stepping on to put them out of their misery. Build them up into perfect specimens while never letting them know. Then, when they are just about to give up or kill themselves, give them one single word of acknowledgement.
No matter how good they are, never let them turn it into complacency. That way leads to arrogance, which leads to carelessness. Kick them off their perch, make them do better then they did before. Give them a challenge. Not many commanders are willing to put in the effort to train up their best people. Most like to just use them as they are.
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2012-08-03, 06:59 | Link #159 | ||
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At EP2's 18:19, Tarisa made the same rush move mistake as in EP05's 18:32 Quote:
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2012-08-03, 10:16 | Link #160 | |
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You don't have unlimited ammo so a blade is efficient to deal with the BETA.
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