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surerman · 2012-08-07, 12:46

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Originally Posted by Lisemer

Remember she is ILLYA, when she was an homunchulus she wanted Shirou, now she has HORMONES to make it better.

so ILLYA not really human?, in Fate/Stay Night she's a human (I think), but in Sword Dancer spin off she is indeed an animated moth eaten corpse (protected by Archer-ko)

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Even men (Issei) want him.

lol wut?

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Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Fan pandering to those without an imouto.

I love Illya's reaction to finding out Shirou is a lady killer.

which chapter?

Ithekro · 2012-08-07, 12:52

Probably when she figures out on his meeting Rin and Luvia and their reactions to him.

In this version she is 11 or 12 years old instead of a 18 year old that can't grow up. So her body is aging normally meaning her hormones are fuctional...which leads to lulz harem like moments. She was still "crafted" in some sense of the word due to Holy Grail still being present.

ReddyRedWolf · 2012-08-09, 13:43

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Probably when she figures out on his meeting Rin and Luvia and their reactions to him.

In this version she is 11 or 12 years old instead of a 18 year old that can't grow up. So her body is aging normally meaning her hormones are functional...which leads to lulz harem like moments. She was still "crafted" in some sense of the word due to Holy Grail still being present.

Chapter 4 and 5. Kuro's antics led them to meet. What really set Illya off is Miyu calling Shrou oni-chan and hugging him. It earn him a punch at the side.

When Miyu was around for slumber party Illya specifically said to Shirou to stay away from Miyu.

Kanon · 2012-08-21, 10:05

Ch 25 out.

Spoiler:

ReddyRedWolf · 2012-08-22, 15:27

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Ch 25 out.

Spoiler:

Remember the clues...

Caren called Kuro, Illya and Miyu respectively a Miracle, a Necessity, an Accident. All their birthdays are July 20th. And Shirou looks like Miyu's brother...

That is because...

Spoiler:

surerman · 2012-08-23, 23:02

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Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Remember the clues...

Caren called Kuro, Illya and Miyu respectively a Miracle, a Necessity, an Accident. All their birthdays are July 20th. And Shirou looks like Miyu's brother...

That is because...

Spoiler:

if it is, then why Kuro didn't feed on Miyu as alternate source of life force sustaining her existence?

oh! about Kuro vampiric trait, why she didn't feed on her 'mother'' (Illya's mother). She's obviously have more can give than Illya's deep kiss for Kuro

Although I wonder what will happen if Shirou the one who give Kuro sustenance
May be Kuro will grow wings because so happy?

Ithekro · 2012-08-24, 01:59

Their magic sticks provide nearly infinite prana...Miyu wouldn't need another source once Sapphire bonded with her.

Kuro took prana from anybody. Miyu's gave her a massive power boost early on, but Kuro likes teasing Illya more. Illya gives much better reactions compared to Miyu's usually stoic look.

Kanon · 2012-09-16, 08:16

Spoiler for 26:

ReddyRedWolf · 2012-09-19, 10:59

Also an interesting distinction from "Grail-Kun". Miyu isn't a personality written over the grail she is the grail naturally born in her universe. It's like Skynet gaining sentience.

In the Fate/Kalied universe Kuro is the programmed personality much like Irisviel in Fate/Stay Zero as a homunculus grail vessel.

Fate/Kalied Illya/Kuro is close but its something the Einsberns worked over for several generations as they did not cooperate with the Tohsaka and Makiri/Matou families.

Her deadpan-ess, doesn't believe in magic (Science and Logic), and Mary Sue genius talents make me think she is like that robot little sister in Small Wonder. Only a Shirou is her Oniichan. Gradually becoming more human.

mAc Chaos · 2012-09-19, 13:18

I don't quite get the whole "born as a natural grail" thing.

GDB · 2012-09-19, 13:41

I guess she's the same as Ilya, except instead of being made to be a Grail like Ilya was, she was just naturally born into it. So in Miyu's world, they weren't trying to create the Grail War, it just happened? I dunno, kind of confusing. I assume it'll be explained better later.

mAc Chaos · 2012-09-19, 16:12

The Grail War thing sounds more like, they were fighting over the right to possess her.

Ithekro · 2012-09-20, 20:49

Well Illya's going to slap her, so we'll see how that works for her.

ZeroForever · 2012-10-08, 12:49

that end... or more correctly that cliffhanger...

I can see where this is going but still WTFFFFF still that was a entertaining fight.

GDB · 2012-10-08, 12:55

Time for Drei! I really hope for two things:

1) Kuro does more than just stand around commenting how amazing Ilya is
2) Kuro doesn't merge back in with Zwei!Ilya in order to form Drei!Ilya.

Kanon · 2012-10-08, 15:24

I'm hoping for more kid Gil myself. He was still alive the last time we saw him. A fight between him and that new girl who stole his card is a must.

I wouldn't worry about Kuro. There is no way the author will get rid of character like her before the ending (I fully expect her to merge with Illya in the climax of the manga).

hinode · 2012-10-08, 15:40

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I'm hoping for more kid Gil myself. He was still alive the last time we saw him. A fight between him and that new girl who stole his card is a must.

Spoiler for 3rei spoiler:

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I wouldn't worry about Kuro. There is no way the author will get rid of character like her before the ending (I fully expect her to merge with Illya in the climax of the manga).

My personal pet theory is that she'll get a body via the Third Magic by the end of the series somehow. Maybe even the proper version of the Third if things get sufficiently crazy.

Grey · 2012-10-08, 16:32

For a "heroine who lacks power" Illya is doing pretty well this chapter.

That part where she spears Gil through the chest and then he pulls out Ea was ridiculously awesome. Why are you so broken, Gil.

For all his complaints about being an incomplete incarnation, Prisma Illya Gil looked a lot more dangerous than F/Z and F/SN Gil.

I wonder if Illya will get a more permanent power boost. That double wand form doesn't sound like it will be used for long.

GDB · 2012-10-08, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Grey

For all his complaints about being an incomplete incarnation, Prisma Illya Gil looked a lot more dangerous than F/Z and F/SN Gil.

That's because the only thing F/Z and F/SN Gilgamesh took seriously enough to go all out on was Zero!Rider. Kaleid Liner Gilgamesh lets rip with an Enuma Elish all the time. I think he already fired off as many or more than he did in all of F/SN's routes combined.

Alaya · 2012-10-08, 18:43

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Originally Posted by GDB

That's because the only thing F/Z and F/SN Gilgamesh took seriously enough to go all out on was Zero!Rider. Kaleid Liner Gilgamesh lets rip with an Enuma Elish all the time. I think he already fired off as many or more than he did in all of F/SN's routes combined.

Yeah, and if he did fire them with full power (as if he has full power from full incarnation), I shudder to think what would happen to the world.

2012-08-07, 12:52	Link #142
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Probably when she figures out on his meeting Rin and Luvia and their reactions to him. In this version she is 11 or 12 years old instead of a 18 year old that can't grow up. So her body is aging normally meaning her hormones are fuctional...which leads to lulz harem like moments. She was still "crafted" in some sense of the word due to Holy Grail still being present. __________________

2012-08-21, 10:05	Link #144
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Ch 25 out. Spoiler: We got confirmation that Miyu came from another world 3 months ago, and that her presence is what started the ritual (or so claims Gil). The plot thickens. Could Miyu herself be a heroic spirit? That's the impression I got. Shota Gil is awesome. I loved Miyu and Illya's reaction when he claimed he was not ashamed of any part of his body. I don't really understand why he has knowledge of Miyu, it seemed like he knew her personally... could she be a heroic spirit too? __________________

2012-08-24, 01:59	Link #147
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Their magic sticks provide nearly infinite prana...Miyu wouldn't need another source once Sapphire bonded with her. Kuro took prana from anybody. Miyu's gave her a massive power boost early on, but Kuro likes teasing Illya more. Illya gives much better reactions compared to Miyu's usually stoic look. __________________

2012-09-16, 08:16	Link #148
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Spoiler for 26: So Miyu is a natural grail as opposed to manufactured vessel like Illya. Her existence itself is a miracle. __________________

2012-09-20, 20:49	Link #153
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Well Illya's going to slap her, so we'll see how that works for her. __________________

2012-09-19, 10:59	Link #149
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Also an interesting distinction from "Grail-Kun". Miyu isn't a personality written over the grail she is the grail naturally born in her universe. It's like Skynet gaining sentience. In the Fate/Kalied universe Kuro is the programmed personality much like Irisviel in Fate/Stay Zero as a homunculus grail vessel. Fate/Kalied Illya/Kuro is close but its something the Einsberns worked over for several generations as they did not cooperate with the Tohsaka and Makiri/Matou families. Her deadpan-ess, doesn't believe in magic (Science and Logic), and Mary Sue genius talents make me think she is like that robot little sister in Small Wonder. Only a Shirou is her Oniichan. Gradually becoming more human.

2012-09-19, 13:18	Link #150
mAc Chaos King of Heroes Join Date: Feb 2009 Age: 38	I don't quite get the whole "born as a natural grail" thing.

2012-09-19, 13:41	Link #151
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	I guess she's the same as Ilya, except instead of being made to be a Grail like Ilya was, she was just naturally born into it. So in Miyu's world, they weren't trying to create the Grail War, it just happened? I dunno, kind of confusing. I assume it'll be explained better later.

2012-09-19, 16:12	Link #152
mAc Chaos King of Heroes Join Date: Feb 2009 Age: 38	The Grail War thing sounds more like, they were fighting over the right to possess her.

2012-10-08, 12:49	Link #154
ZeroForever Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: all and none	that end... or more correctly that cliffhanger... I can see where this is going but still WTFFFFF still that was a entertaining fight. __________________ the anti-thesis of myself

2012-10-08, 12:55	Link #155
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	Time for Drei! I really hope for two things: 1) Kuro does more than just stand around commenting how amazing Ilya is 2) Kuro doesn't merge back in with Zwei!Ilya in order to form Drei!Ilya.

2012-10-08, 15:24	Link #156
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	I'm hoping for more kid Gil myself. He was still alive the last time we saw him. A fight between him and that new girl who stole his card is a must. I wouldn't worry about Kuro. There is no way the author will get rid of character like her before the ending (I fully expect her to merge with Illya in the climax of the manga). __________________

2012-10-08, 16:32	Link #158
Grey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006	For a "heroine who lacks power" Illya is doing pretty well this chapter. That part where she spears Gil through the chest and then he pulls out Ea was ridiculously awesome. Why are you so broken, Gil. For all his complaints about being an incomplete incarnation, Prisma Illya Gil looked a lot more dangerous than F/Z and F/SN Gil. I wonder if Illya will get a more permanent power boost. That double wand form doesn't sound like it will be used for long.