2011-02-15, 16:06 | Link #342 | |
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Hearing that line in the manga was a big 'wait, what?' moment for me. They've been building up Vivio as a talented little martial artist for the entire series up to that point, and then suddenly she's 'not suited' for it? D-wha? Luckily so far they seem to only have veered from 'Vivio is a talented martial artist' to 'Vivio isn't suited, but she's going to screw the rules and be awesome at it anyway.' |
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2011-02-15, 17:50 | Link #345 | |||
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...Because the battle happened indoors. It's not like Nanoha tried to use RH as a spear or anything. (It happened all of once, against Reinforce.) Look at the simulation battle in Vivid. Nukers nuked from afar perfectly well unless forced from their positions by those pesky Front Attackers. |
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2011-02-16, 03:24 | Link #347 |
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Regarding the interplay between magic and melee, the English version of Fairy Tail mentions that the "do" in "madoshi" (Magician) is the same "do" as in judo, kendo, etc., and points out that this means the Japanese see magicians as martial artists, rather than Merlin/Gandalf types.
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2011-02-16, 08:24 | Link #350 |
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The weird thing about Vivio, and now also Einhart is the fact that despite being close range fighters dependent on Belkan magic they don't use cartridges.
A's showed how much of a difference cartridges make in direct combat. I find it really weird that both of them don't want to use such a useful power-up. |
2011-02-16, 08:32 | Link #352 | |
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Not having kids use them outside military applications, I presume, considering Nanoha's own track record
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2011-02-16, 08:58 | Link #353 |
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The cartridge system has been fading into the background post-A's. In A's they were very important, to the point where to StrikerS manga made the characters actually went "I only have X cartridges left" from time to time. In StrikerS their presence was a lot vaguer. They were 'there' but they barely seemed to matter anymore. The only time cartridges were actually noticeable was when Teana had a dud, and that was more to point out their homebrew devices were starting to fail than the cartridge itself. The StrikerS manga doesn't even mention cartridges anymore.
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2011-02-16, 10:04 | Link #354 |
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The fact that Teana could actually make her own device with a cartridge system says a lot. Maybe in the intervening years the Wolkenritter brought the system back into style and it became more common and streamlined so anyone can use them safely.
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2011-02-16, 10:32 | Link #355 |
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It's the styles they're using. Vivio uses Mid-based Strike Arts. Mid-style magic doesn't use cartridges. For Einhart's Kaiser Arts, we don't have firm data, but it's possible it didn't use cartridges either. She's also big on proving her individual skill, so she may not be interested in the boost offered by cartridges.
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2011-02-16, 11:06 | Link #356 | |
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Neither of them used Cartridges ever. Vivio wasn't given any in StrikerS when she went Saint Kaiser, not that she needed any. Nanoha needed BOTH Cartridges AND the Blaster System to keep up with Vivio at that point. Besides, where would she store them? Others who don't use cartridges despite Belkan style. Vivio Einhart (as you mentioned with these two) Verossa Carim Hayate Reinforce Zwei Shamal Lutecia Ixpellia
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2011-02-16, 11:27 | Link #358 |
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@Nanya: Cartidges are used mainly to give an offensive boost, so defensive types like Shamal wouldn't need them. Zafira is technically more defense based, but he doesn't have a device in the first place, so...
Hayate and Reinforce have enough power as it is, so cartriges aren't needed. And in StrikerS Vivio had her Relic.
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