2009-05-26, 13:11 | Link #221 | |
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I have read a lot of Shonen in the past 6 Years, and watch a lot of Anime based on Shonen the past 15 Years to think that Smoker could mostly be introduced here and there (only for information purposes or gving us follow up on him, like we have already seen so far). this is more what we could expect from this character, and actually not falling into bad Writing. Either way is 50/50, I just don’t see smoker having an important impact on any of the subsequent plots. IMO, the main part for Smoker was to introduced us to Logia types and how powerful they can be.
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2009-05-26, 14:39 | Link #222 |
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No if smoker is forgoteen it will be a bad writing.
and since you talked about your experience with shonen manga let me just say this those things dont count and in sheer expereicne I doubt you can calim such thing with mere 6(15 considering anime) years of experience. |
2009-05-26, 15:50 | Link #223 | ||
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Once you read a good few Shonen and you understand certain work habits, once you read good pieces of literature, it help you discern good from bad writing, once you read different types of genres, it helps you see the reach a fantastical world can have, and the norms that they work under. I’m not claiming I’m a god about the subject or no one knows better than I do, I’m just talking about based on what I have seen so far. Heck, You can use even Seinen to uderstand something as simple as Haki, like Lone Wolf and Cub for example. Going back to the Smoker thing, yes, it is not going to be Bad writing giving Im not speaking about Not presenting him anymore in the series (and even like that, he is not that important to be giving him a 30 chapter arc). Read my post, and Read Master Mold post, We are talking about Character development, making Smoker go after the Strawhat, dedicate various chapter into doing that, Create a new back-story for smoker, making him go against a group of people that’s should be fighting stronger foes that what smoker could offer, converting Smoker into an likeable character into a villain, subsequently making Smoker failing his goal into capturing Strawhats (again, redundancy) and ultimately, having at hand an arc that lacked excitement and most importantly, lack of growth of the principal character, rather than go the way that I was mentioning, and that is been presented in a couple of pages like Oda has been doing so far.
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2009-05-26, 17:19 | Link #224 |
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But you simply can't have it all...
Currently with this war and upcoming battle(s) what will be greatest battle of current generation of One piece residents and pointing that almost every major player from all factions are partaking this war it will be very difficult to see every point of view and every fraction of battle that will roam. Oda have enough potential material for this war that it can take to 2011 before we even GET to the New world with Strawhat crew and still every chapter could be rich and full of content and raging battles. Smoker is great charecter, he is charismatic and intresting person, definatly not your average marine, not to mention about Tashigi who is intersting in her own way and her strange relation ship with Zoro is much anticipated events. But even though you would want, or you seem to INSIST that Oda should give some focus on Smoker on this upcoming battle and what he will do against Luffy I personally think we have to leave Smoker/Luffy encounters to New World. Smoker could achieve some fame and get promoted to new ranks, perhaps even as Vice admiral if he plays his cards right on this battle, then he would have both authority and freedom to pursue Luffy with full force on New World. I too want to see massive battles of this war but I wont really cry if Oda focuses only Luffy and other players with him on this war either because I have learned to trust Oda and I believe that he will deliver, I read about 20 mangas and many more finished but One piece is definatly most anticipated series for me. |
2009-05-26, 18:17 | Link #226 | ||
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As things stand, Luffy, if you don't compare him to the most absolutely powerful characters in One Piece, is extremely potent in his own right, and with his current combat proficiency, I believe he really IS worth every cent of his B$ 300m bounty. What I don't really like is how even though he keeps on being shown that he isn't yet ready for the upper tier, he never shows a constant, believable serious side. I would like to see a change...some visible effects on his composure. I love seeing Zoro's experiences smooth him out, and define his character, through drive, and constant determination, and serious, thoughtful meditation on his experiences (maybe not so explicitly shown every time, but they are there), he realizes his limits, and pushes to free himself by realizing that he is still weak, compared to the topmost rungs, and he needs to climb higher. I see NOTHING like that from Luffy. Period. At every stage, if he gets knocked down, he shows a reflective side for about two pages, and then throws it off, and returns to his careless norm. I think it's WAY too unrealistic. Luffy is STRONG. But his current challenges do require some more 'Oomph', I know, but I love seeing him anyway. Just that his lack of real soul deep learning-from-his-experiences really turn me off. I like to see character development and emotional growth. I like seeing it done well. Done Beautifully. Get it right, please.
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2009-05-26, 19:10 | Link #228 | |
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As for smoker i expect we are going to see him again but it going to take a while maybe when luffy is about half way threw the new world . When we see him again luffy will be able to fight him , i think smoker is going to be like how Grap was for roger. |
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2009-05-27, 07:17 | Link #233 | |
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Son, I heard you speaking just now, and...based on what you said, I believe there is only one reasonable conclusion I can draw: You must be American. Listen: I don't think I ever even implied that he should get 'emo' even once in my post. I quoted Zoro as an example of a character whose development I like to see. Is Zoro 'emo'? And I really don't like how Blackbeard just suddenly appeared inside of the prison. Not only that, but I believe that Shiryuu's character design is disappointing. I would have preferred if it were the other way around, and Magellan were the one who was locked up, and Shiryuu were managing the prison. I think that Magellan's current design, with the SS-Militaristic motif is more appealing in context. Now THAT is a character who I would expect to be locked up at the bottom of the sea for mercilessly killing his own staff. Shiryuu looks like an imbecile, for lack of a better word. I, of course, am at the edge of my seat, waiting for the inevitable fight between the three sides to start next week, but I also keep in mind that Oda had better have a good enough explanation for Blackbeard having been shown at Marine Headquarters dining only a short while ago, and then suddenly upping and popping up at Impel Down for no reason whatsoever. 1. He didn't even know Luffy was Ace's brother, so it's not like he came on an extermination mission. 2. Ace was scheduled to leave the prison, so it's not like he was coming to finish Ace off, for whatever reason. 3. He is supposed to be at Marine HQ right now, or he is liable to lose his Shichibukai title and autonomy. So he shouldn't have left for no reason just to come storm a prison of his (formal) allies, the World Government. I mean: it's not like One Piece was always this illogical. Up to the end of Thriller Bark, there were confines for how far the unrealism would extend. You knew, for example, during the CP9 arc, that a gun could actually kill people in One Piece if they were shot. So when Iceberg and Nico Robin were in the mansion and Nico pulled out the six guns, it had dramatic effect, since you knew that she could actually effect a change in the plot with them. But take the bounty hunters on Shabondy Archipelago: they had pretty large rifles, I assume that bounty hunters, living at the border of the New World, where experienced rookies land everyday, they would have some know-how under their belts. I didn't expect to see them holding out rifles in broad daylight and charging their targets (who, by the way, are mainly wanted criminals with bounty money on their heads) in plain view. I thought they would be wearing black, and would set traps, and ambush the pirates with seastone, and show some serious mindsets about knowing that they were dealing with dangerous people and that in a single breath they could be snuffed out, and their lives would be finished. What about bounty hunters hiding out in the huge mangroves on the Archipelago, and using sniper rifles? Actually shooting pirates with well aimed, cold, calculated head shots, and taking them out with skill, and silence? Now THAT would have been cool. That way pirates would have been hiding in corners of the isle, fearing that at any time they could just pass out, and not even know that a fearsome bounty hunter was after them, and had released a knockout-gas grenade into their camp, until they wake up in a Marine Prison cell, with seastone handcuffs on their wrists, and are being told that they are to be transported to Enies Lobby the next morning at O-eight-hundred by special forces form the Cyppher Pol Eight. But nope. Bounty hunters were made out to be decrepit, backward cretins, who chose a career that would obvious endanger their lives, yet didn't prepare themselves to tackle the mean, vicious criminals they'd be hunting. Yea. That makes sense. Seriously. I mean: I'm gonna be a Bounty Hunter! I gots me my trusty rifle, and I can just blast these Devil Fruit powered criminals sky high, since they really aren't super-powered human beings who can probably rip me to shreds without even touching me. In fact, even for those who don't have Devil fruit powers, I can still blast me some head in broad daylight, because it's not like there's a possibility that, I dunno...maybe a lot of them are better at shooting than me...and that some of them are so incredibly skillful, and their reflexes are so well honed that they could probably even snipe me out before I see them. Hmmm...well, let's go! Watch out pirates! Here I come! ...how DUMB.
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Of course, note that my opinion here is simply that I dont expect for further character development on Smoker, and I don't think that doing so is Bad writing (neither giving him more character development). Quote:
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2009-05-27, 09:15 | Link #235 |
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I'm not sure what's the fuss with Smoker, but Oda knows when to bring back characters with an impact. Toby was a nice surprise, Croc is cool now.
Do you want Smoker to become Team Rocket or for him to be waiting for Luffy somewhere in the New World?
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I think that the only real reason that Crocodile was brought up again in the manga was because it just makes sense? Where else are you going to incarcerate one of the Shichibukai? In a level that doesn't exist in the biggest baddest jail you have, that's where. I wouldn't mind seeing a round 2 between Smoker and Luffy and I think that they will meet up again in the new world because Zoro also has has unfinished business with Tashigi~
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