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2013-11-04, 10:34 | Link #1142 |
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That brings me to the Riverworld theory. The more I watch the anime, read the few I could from the manga and look at LN info, the more I am leaning toward this.
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2013-11-04, 10:36 | Link #1143 | |
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They DID everything they could without sacrificing everything else. Within the context of what they CAN and AFFORD to do, they did everything they could. The impression is, you come off as thinking (even though you have said otherwise) they should say screw Serara, screw everyone, let's sit in a lab and figure this shit out. Instead, Shiroe prioritized on "first, we need to figure out survival. This is essential for IMMEDIATE time being. Once everything is settled we can AFFORD to venture out for truth." Which is EXACTLY what the story is heading to, so let's please drop this...
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2013-11-04, 10:56 | Link #1144 |
I disagree with you all.
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The problem (of which I'm as guilty as anyone) is how ill-defined "they" is. Sometimes it's Shiroe's party. Sometimes it's the players in general.
I've said it before. Going after Serara was a fine decision. I've also got the impression that some people here think that, even if Serara hadn't entered the picture, there wasn't much they could do since they know so little. So they'd have just, I don't now, tweedled their thumbs or walked around randomly waiting for The Answer to fall into their laps. There is, in fact, a mountain of things to try. |
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I envy the optimism that makes you believe college-educated geeks are all geniuses that would totally approach a apocalyptic situation with calm, organized large-scale scientific research.
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Hell, technically even the PKers are doing something scientific. Pushing the boundaries of this new world, seeing how far this new world lets them go before someone or something steps in. Quote:
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2013-11-04, 11:06 | Link #1147 | |
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Meta-reasons are still perfectly valid reasons. "If we write it this way nobody will want to watch the damn show" is kind of an important factor, after all.
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Folks, Shiroe is a gaming strategist. Not a physicist, not a chemist, not a biologist. We know he has training in engineering on Earth, although not what field. He is approaching this situation from his area of expertise, and frankly he's doing a pretty decent job of gathering information of all sorts. Insisting that he should be spending time performing experiments he isn't qualified to perform in a vague attempt to discover information that, frankly, isn't likely to be all that useful (let's be honest for a moment. The stuff you're asking him to test is likely just going to be all Earth-standard because that's the way the world has been set up) is frankly foolish and pedantic. It's coming across that you're grasping at straws to try to find some way to complain that he "isn't doing enough." He's been working on it the way he's good at. He's been accomplishing about as much as someone in his situation could be expected to accomplish. And if he's not doing it the way you would, well he's not you for one thing, and maybe the way you would do it wouldn't make for an interesting series for another.
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2013-11-04, 11:19 | Link #1148 | |
Is this dangerous??
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I meant most of the players, not just Shiroe and Co " As I said, I don't fault their sense of priorities. (At least Shiroe's. Not sure about PKers or whiners.) I disagree with the statement they did absolutely all they could to understand their situation. That ignorance is an excuse for inaction." Again, for Shiroe and Co, they werent ignorant. They just put it aside due to more serious situation " If not them, any of the many, many slackers did. " Again, most of them were probably kids, teens, young adult. Those who were more proactive/responsible we probably in charge of guilds, and got their hands full on managing and taking care oftheir guild members, like Marielle and Henrietta " They're all meta-reasons." Whats wrong with meta exactly?
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2013-11-04, 11:22 | Link #1149 | |
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2013-11-04, 11:26 | Link #1150 | |
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If the "People of Land" are humans/sentient beings, so goblins too are sentient beings? Ratmen? That "human-fish" from OP? It is not a spoiler, just look the OP with a lot of attention, we see "monsters" moving like an army.... can we guess against who they are moving? @Anh_Minh When you wrote "meta-reasons" it is the same that admit you are comparing LogHor to other anime, and the first one that comes to mind is SAO, for obvious reasons. There is not "meta-language" if there is no comparation to other products from same media. And it is evident to everyone you are "meta" comparating LogHor to SAO. LogHor will be easier to understand if everyone stop to try make it a new SAO. LogHor is a diferent animal, ops, anime. Just looking the OP and seeing that army of "monsters" moving against the players, like any sentient and inteligent being sooner or later will to do against an agressive force that is "farming" them, for see the players have more important preocupations than discover "how to go to home?". Survival is a more pressing issue...
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2013-11-04, 11:27 | Link #1151 |
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All I can say is, Amh, there are 15,000 people trapped just on the Japanese server alone, many more around the globe.
We're only seeing handful of people, focusing on the protagonist, at the moment. There are plenty of level-headed guild masters out there trying all sorts of things around the world. Including other cities in Japan.
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2013-11-04, 11:27 | Link #1152 | |
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About the gravity thing, Anh, I don't know what you have in mind, but I don't think you could detect gravity from, say, a tree or even a mountain that easily. Not sure though. Well, you probably could get decent results with a torsion balance which is easy to build. The problem here is that you can't rely on things like the orbits/radii of planets or the Earth for your calculations, because those things could be built into the game engine. Even the gravitational pull from huge objects like mountains could be. You need to be able to measure gravitational pull from small, movable objects (people, carts) to tell whether it's truly "dynamic" and not a fixed vector field defined point by point in game space. It still wouldn't tell you much anyway. In fact, there is no way to tell reality apart from a computer simulation - you can only hope to define how COMPLEX the simulation is (and put limits on it as beyond a certain point it becomes impossible for reasonably sized computers to run it). Well, anyway, scientists aren't even sure WE are not living in a computer simulation, so there's that. It's not an easy problem: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...n_1957777.html
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2013-11-04, 11:52 | Link #1156 | |
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What about measuring the properties of materials? Like, elasticity and plasticity of metals? If every crafted sword breaks under exactly the same amount of applied pressure, without deviations or dispersion, that's a big signal for "simulation" (or we should say, "simulation of significant lesser complexity than our universe, and hence, potentially contained within it"). Also, that thermodynamics issue is a big thing because they could find out a loophole to generate infinite energy. I'm pretty sure the game world does not have conservation of energy anyway. The point is, just like they can override the problem of tasteless food by baking the ingredients directly, maybe they can exploit loopholes in logic and physics to build new kinds of weapons/tech which will work in a different way from the crafted/given ones. Like real gunpowder created by combining carbon, sulphur and potassium nitrate instead of whatever they get out of crafting techniques. They could progress to space age in no time. Think of the possibilities .
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No one can see you camparating LogHor to .hack, because Spoiler:
So, when you wrote "I've assumed people want to go home" you prove that you are comparating LogHor to ONLY ONE anime.
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After the players "digest" the knowledge of how to make food with taste maybe they can test if they can make gunpowder.
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Is this dangerous??
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