(L) Fate/Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works Movie

[willyvereb]

Well, Shirou has a quite bad fashion sense.

Spoiler for Visual Novel:

I bet even Archer's relatively cool clothes wasn't his choice., See his appearance in Hollow Ataraxia. I bet it has some touch with the thing Shirou thinks about himself as an already dead person does everything for other. He lacks the care for himself.

[Aqua Knight]

Well...

Spoiler for [:

The pic said that it was future Shirou and his new clothes looks like Archer's though it's a fanart it's still great.
But how come he has white hair now? Stress,overwork

[willyvereb]

probably...or he likes to dye it that way. We always think the characters have their original hair color. They could even dye it...especially the extreme ones.

[ecchi-ru]

Originally Posted by 17th_warrior

Still movie face>>>>> anime faces, but lose to VN.
Moreover, I like Shirou as a hero but his appearance and clothes still make me laugh.

Actually the movie trailer is not bad but there are some quirks that are apparent even in the trailer.

Spoiler for What I Thought About The Trailer:

I mean, the female faces are just too sharp, and Saber's dress/armor just doesn't look right when she is in mid-air or when she jumps.

But I do like the smooth animations, but that's something to expect when they have a higher budget

[Flinch]

Willy, while re-reading Fate/Zero, Irisviel says she willingly shuts down her bodily functions to cope with Assassin's energies inside of her. It's also why Saber does all the work for her at that point, Irisviel's grip is a joke at that point.


Back to the topic, the movie will have to pin everything on the fights, and they'll probably get something wrong, making it a disaster.

[ecchi-ru]

Originally Posted by Flinch

Back to the topic, the movie will have to pin everything on the fights, and they'll probably get something wrong, making it a disaster.

Man.. if the movie is 90 minutes, they better have 30 minutes or more of Unlimited Blade Works because its EPIC.

I also wonder why they don't get Ufotable (who did a high quality job with Kara No Kyoukai) to do this.

[Flinch]

I couldn't care less about Shiro using UBW against Gilgamesh. I'd only be looking forward to the fight between Cuchulainn and Emiya.


Odd Thought:
Why didn't Gilgamesh use Enkindu on Shiro? Even though Shiro has no divinity, the chains would still be strong enough to bind his limbs. Oh wait, because Gilgamesh would actually win... my bad.

[rastilin]

Odd Thought:
Why didn't Gilgamesh use Enkindu on Shiro? Even though Shiro has no divinity, the chains would still be strong enough to bind his limbs. Oh wait, because Gilgamesh would actually win... my bad.

If you're going to get into that discussion there's loads of points where characters could have done better. We know Archer has a sniping arrow that tracks it's target from 4 miles away and returns when missed or deflected based on HA. It also says that "White Eyes" lets him see through objects. For something so useful, he only uses it once.

For another; he's supposed to be the greatest military mind with "Eye of the Mind", but fails to move between shots like every military sniper knows how to do. It's not like it would be trouble and would have made him invincible in HA.

It would have been harder to write such a compelling story if one of the characters goes around nailing his targets from miles away while they're asleep. But you've got to wonder, with all the trouble Goldie causes, what with his basement full of undead children, killing him on day 1 would be a service. Not like any of the other characters would have missed him.

[willyvereb]

Well, most of the servants are having damn good instincts...and Goldie is famous for defeating really extraordinary beings. Sniping him from affar probably wouldn't work.
But to be honest...you're right there's many plotholes about the use of the servants abilities skills or anything power-related. Like Gil could've used the GoB like crazy and using every Noble Phantasm's abilities. It's not as if he wouldn't be able to do it. His Fate introduction and his actions at the date was fair enough to prove it.
It's just Nasu isn't almighty and he goes a bit overboard with the powers. As much he even forgets some and didn't use those up fully(or even in any way)
To Flinch:

Spoiler for Visual Novel:

Really? I may have stated that she automatically shutted her functions down(Illya), but lately I state she must shut down her functions. The previous statement didn't deny it. She(Illya, Iris) have to do this, because of the pain and in the end of the risk of loosing oneself. I bet sakura had no knownledge to do the same, but still I guess it's quite a feat to act "normally"(I mean walk around and speak like "usual"...turning insane is another thing) with a strain like this. But, well even having the same endurance about the filling of the Grail like a homunculus specifically created with that task in mind is something extraordinally for a regular mage like Sakura.

[orangejuicetang]

Originally Posted by Flinch

Odd Thought:
Why didn't Gilgamesh use Enkindu on Shiro? Even though Shiro has no divinity, the chains would still be strong enough to bind his limbs. Oh wait, because Gilgamesh would actually win... my bad.

Because Gil is extremely arrogant and proud of his GoB. Shirou tells him that even though his weapons are fake imitations of Gil's, they are superior and that he will prove it by destroying Gil's weapons and Gil. To Gil, this would be an inexcusable insult. Thus, Gil raged and did not think clearly. Also, as you mentioned, Shirou has no divinity. Enkidu against Shirou would have the same toughness as an ordinary chain. And while Shirou is an ordinary human, remember he was basically spamming NP's in his UBW. At this point, Enkidu probably wouldn't even slow Shirou down, as he'd cut through it with one of his numerous sword NP's. Also, you have to realize that Gilgamesh was getting pushed back when Shirou revealed his ubw. Gilgamesh has to actually take his weapon out of his GoB before he can use it. It's not instantneous "i think of Enkidu and it comes out of GoB." It's mentioned that in fact, the speed that ubw takes to bring out the weapons is greater than the speed GoB has, which is while Shirou was winning. Taking out Enkidu would probably result in the same thing that taking out Ea did. The small amount of time he takes to take it out will give Shirou the time to cut off his arm and slice and dice him.

[Kimiko Khan]

Spoiler for for gob vs ubw:

one thing you have to remember about gate of babylon is that gil's use of those swords can only extend to his skill as a swordsman. he's not able to use their special abilities the way the original owner can. some of them yes because thats all they can do but for the most part his advantage is the sheer volume of weapons and his ability to use them at any given time, he can counter any hero's style/weapon and keep fighting even if he loses the sword or it breaks. archer on the other hand can use them as actual noble phantasms, though they're downgraded a rank. he can bypass that by making them into broken phantasms though i would assume he preferes to reserve his prana and is selective with which weapons he uses, excalibur is a suicide move for him. another thing to remember about gil is that he is extremely proud. it takes alot for him to pull out enuma elsih on shirou and he did that too late. using the chain would have been another blow to his pride though he does use it at the last moment. another thing to take into consideration is that servants have to be carefull with using their abilities. another servant can figure out who you are if you're not carefull.

[Flinch]

If someone keeps copying your weapons as soon as you pull one out, why not use a weapon they CAN'T copy. Both Ea and Enkindu are such weapons, which he could use to prove his superiority.

[orangejuicetang]

No you see, Shirous said that his copies are superior to Gil's originals. Bringing out a weapon that Shirou can't copy wouldn't prove that Gil's weapons are superior to the copies. Oh, and Shirou can trace Enkidu. It just takes more mana than copying swords. The only weapon he can't trace is Ea, since the materials are "otherworldy" Actually, now that I think about it, it actually makes alot of sense not to bring out Enkidu. To Shirou, it would simply be a tough chain that he can probably slice through, but if Shirou than traced it against Gil, Gil would be in serious trouble, being 2/3rds divine.

[willyvereb]

Well, Actually Enkidu isn't only a chain. It's description is false. It's rather special even against non-divine beings.

Spoiler for Visual Novel, UBW:

It actually rifts space and makes a pirson out of layers of space. Gil used it to seal the Grail-deformed Shinji. And we know that Shinji surely isn't divine and the Grail wouldn't make him that too. So the statement is false. But it's sure a noble phantasm could do something...if Shirou moves it with magic and not with his own hands because they're stuck with chains.
Anyways, I think Gil can break out of Enkidu because:1.) it's his own NP. Probably even a copy would obey him. Or if not most probably Gil has the most willpower of the Servants, even surpassing saber's. You know resisting the power of the Grail and AM with only an E class magic resistance is really something.

[orangejuicetang]

Originally Posted by willyvereb

Well, Actually Enkidu isn't only a chain. It's description is false. It's rather special even against non-divine beings.

Spoiler for Visual Novel, UBW:

It actually rifts space and makes a pirson out of layers of space. Gil used it to seal the Grail-deformed Shinji. And we know that Shinji surely isn't divine and the Grail wouldn't make him that too. So the statement is false. But it's sure a noble phantasm could do something...if Shirou moves it with magic and not with his own hands because they're stuck with chains.
Anyways, I think Gil can break out of Enkidu because:1.) it's his own NP. Probably even a copy would obey him. Or if not most probably Gil has the most willpower of the Servants, even surpassing saber's. You know resisting the power of the Grail and AM with only an E class magic resistance is really something.

Wait, what? I don't remember this. Also, what does willpower have to do with breaking free of Enkidu? Breaking Enkidu requires strength. It's a chain that grows stronger depending on the divinity of the person who is getting attacked by it. http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Enkidu

[willyvereb]

Well, it isn't a problem either then...or that Berserker scene was one of those WTF moments(aka plotholes directly made for just pure badassery incereace) UBW is full of.
If so and we stick into the original stated power of Enkidu Gilgamesh is really can't do anything.(except maybe an EA blast...well it's a "sword that cuts through the world")

Anyways it's really more of a Game Discussion than actual movie discussion. At least it's UBW-related.

[Kimiko Khan]

shirous copies aren't superior. 1 they're downgraded a rank the imagination is limited 2. you'll notice they shatter easily. 3 the original is always better even caliburn isn't as strong as merdoch.
as for enkidu willpower ways heavily

Spoiler for berserker:

berserker's strength alone wouldn't have been enough to break that chain and thats saying something, he's the strongest servant physically, it took willpower for him to do that. he was going beyond his limits hell he should have been dead yet he held himslef together in a depserate attempt to save ilya and even managed to maintain his body so that he would be there in some way to comfort her as she died

[willyvereb]

And I don't think Gilgamesh couldn't use the Noble Phantasms' abilities either.
another proof:

Spoiler for UBW, vs Berserker:

In the end Gilgamesh used Gae Bolg and it's ability to finish Berserker off. So actually he pretty much knows the abilities of his Noble phantasms. I bet he has some skill with them too, if anything his basic fighting skill(well, Shirou's "borrowed skill" is probably superior to that though). It's just his damn ego that keeps him doing his best...or more should I say the author constantly nerfs him to make the heroes win in the end...again, especially in UBW

[Flinch]

If any of you ever read Fate/Zero, you would know how deadly Enkindu can still be.

Spoiler:

When used in UBW, Beserker had a divinity of Rank A, making Enkindu the best weapon against him. In Fate/Zero, Rider (who has divinity of Rank D, I believe) gets caught caught in Enkindu as he rushes Gilgamesh after Ea destroyed his last remaining noble phantasm, Ionioi Hetairoi. Even without his reality marble, Iskander was still the greatest threat remaining in the war, and Gilgamesh knew this. He easily bound him with Enkindu, then completely obliterated him with Ea. The higher one's divinity, the stronger Enkindu is. With no divinity, it is a strong metal chain.

Also, it wouldn't be possible to trace Enkindu, as Enkindu himself was created by Anu to appeal to the prayers to end Gilgamesh's reign of terror.

[mAc Chaos]

I was watching the final scene between Shirou and Gilgamesh... it wasn't even that Gilgamesh tried, but was overpowered. He really got ticked off at that whole "faker" thing, with Shirou copying his weapons. He was hellbent on proving that the real deal was better than the fake ones. There were many times he could have just killed Shirou but he deliberately fought on Shirou's terms; ie, he only used weapons Shirou was using, to show him that HIS versions of them were better.

Even when he was stuck in Unlimited Blade Works, if he had just unleashed the full power of the Gate of Babylon I think he would've killed Shirou instantly.

The reason Shirou was having a fighting chance is because Shirou would project a weapon, then Gilgamesh would stubbornly fire off a copy of that weapon to destroy it. So he was going weapon for weapon with Shirou, to prove each copy of his was better. But inside the reality marble Shirou could project faster than Gilgamesh could summon them, so he was overwhelmed.