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dajoro · 2004-08-16, 18:17

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Originally Posted by wolfi_1412

Lan Fan rocks! and does anyone knows how she can recognize Envy so easily? even though Envy transforms into a commoner and a dog

Remeber in chapter 37 Lan Fan said that he had the lives of a lot of people in him. So if she notices some form with more than one live in, its got to be a homoculus

from_the_sand · 2004-08-16, 19:18

just a comment about before.... i lnow iit was k ind of answered but, lust said it is the nulcleus of the homunculus, so their material follows it. also to the first comment (i think), according to lust's words, they wouldn't put a stone in a transmuted human, but rather use human materials around it (i think).

Yebyosh · 2004-08-16, 21:00

Chi/Ki detection. Basically Xing was based on Chinese culture and Chinese culture being filled with martial arts that has been greatly exaggerated in the details of abilities and ki.

The tales of ki becomes such that highly skilled pugilist can detect/compare the ki of others. This device has been used in a lot of comics with martial arts. In fact, Dragon Ball used it greatly as well (though they made it into a quantised power level thingee).

So Lan Fan and Fu likely can detect the amount of life forces (associated with ki) around them and most likely, as Lan Fan had said, Envy has 20+ life forces contained just within him (as we now know is all likely due to the Philosopher's Stone as a heart/core/nucleus). It is not hard to find someone that contains 20+ life forces even in a crowd

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pyu · 2004-08-16, 21:02

Great read! Huge thanks from me for this chapter...

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rorosama · 2004-08-17, 11:17

why the hell was greed scared of that loser. All envy does is dodge and he wasn't even doing that well in this chapter. Kinda weird seeing the the 3 main homoculus getting their asses handed to them. I imagine ed and al could take them down 1 by 1 if they wanted. Also

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Guido · 2004-08-17, 12:50

This chapter ended with another cliffhanger just like the previous one.

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slickrick23 · 2004-08-17, 13:25

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Originally Posted by rorosama

why the hell was greed scared of that loser. All envy does is dodge and he wasn't even doing that well in this chapter. Kinda weird seeing the the 3 main homoculus getting their asses handed to them. I imagine ed and al could take them down 1 by 1 if they wanted. Also

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when was greed scared? i dont remember that ever in the manga yes in the anime but there different

ZeroKun · 2004-08-17, 13:41

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wolfi_1412 · 2004-08-17, 15:01

after seeing the full face of Hohemheim, the 'father' in the manga might be him, u knw same 'antenna' same beard, face

MidoriShinobi · 2004-08-17, 16:26

I always figured that the "father" was Hohemheim, but we'll see. I liked this chapter, but I hate cliff-hangers..

dreamless · 2004-08-17, 18:18

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Originally Posted by Rattus

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hmm... I don't see it say anything that manga homunculus come from human transmutation failure... it only said that

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Originally Posted by wolfi_1412

Lan Fan rocks! and does anyone knows how she can recognize Envy so easily? even though Envy transforms into a commoner and a dog

well, it seems those Xing guys have some methods of detecting people by some kind of "chi energy" sorta like in dragon ball and martial arts novels... she can feel that there are "many people" inside envy, so despite his transformations, she can still pick him out easily.

Great chapter! GO Black Hayate GO!

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Dark Epyon · 2004-08-17, 18:36

Who do you think will die next after Hughs? I hope it's Cain he doesn't seem to do much.

wolfi_1412 · 2004-08-17, 20:08

um... I might've missed it.. who's Cain? dun remember him...

Yebyosh · 2004-08-17, 21:08

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Hmm, manga homuncului do come from human transmutation failures then, but you have to stick the PS inside, rather than feed them red stones like the anime homunculi..

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Originally Posted by dreamless

hmm... I don't see it say anything that manga homunculus come from human transmutation failure... it only said that

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For the manga, Homunculi are simply human constructs. Ed constructed one that was a total failure. Jude made one that turned out to be a shriveled mummy. In short, it is possible to construct Homunculi right from the start.

The 'Father' however came out with a design involving Philosopher's Stone and the use of his soul. What he constructed are another model of Homunculi or can be called 'Sins' (this term is not used in manga, it is for convenience that we can call them that). In no way was he using someone's 'failed transmutations'. What he made were successes (and he constantly improves on them too).

There is nothing yet that says that no one can construct a working Homunculus with a different method than the 'Father''s.

Kain Fuery is the bespectacled Sergeant. He's also Black Hayate's secondary carekeeper (well, he was the first one that found Hayate).

wolfi_1412 · 2004-08-17, 22:43

oh.. I see, so his first name is Kain, so... Father created homunculus from scratch? how? is it from equivalent trade? if so, what did he lose?

Veritas · 2004-08-18, 00:40

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Originally Posted by wolfi_1412

oh.. I see, so his first name is Kain, so... Father created homunculus from scratch? how? is it from equivalent trade? if so, what did he lose?

His mind, evidently.

Dark Epyon · 2004-08-18, 04:48

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Originally Posted by wolfi_1412

oh.. I see, so his first name is Kain, so... Father created homunculus from scratch? how? is it from equivalent trade? if so, what did he lose?

I guessing he may not have lost anything as he is using the Philosopher's Stone to construct each homunculus we have seen so far. If I'm wrong then I think he lost parts of his body. Looks as if he is in a life-support system to me.

dreamless · 2004-08-18, 08:13

one thing I don't quite like in this chapter is the cliche the-villain-explain-everything-before-the-heroes syndrome...

about the Father creating homunculus... I guess the first question should be "what has the Father traded to obtain the philosopher's stones?"

wolfi_1412 · 2004-08-18, 21:18

um.. the Ishvaru war?

Fei-san · 2004-08-19, 10:47

Pride havent been created yet in the manga right?
if that's so then maybe they want the "sacrifice" to be a philosophers stone to create Pride?

2004-08-16, 21:02	Link #24
pyu Crouchety Old Man Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Singapore	Great read! Huge thanks from me for this chapter... Spoiler: Anyway, if the PS is the nucleus of the homunculus, then apparently, the Father has already perfected the process of creating it in the first place. Guess the manga's overall theme is different from the anime's. Of course, it couldn't be power - since the Fuhrer - a homunculus - was already inserted into the government structure. I was just wondering - since the manga already states the homunculi are already hundreds of years old, wouldn't that make their creator equally old? Could the guy still be the Elric's father as everyone have speculated about?

2004-08-17, 11:17	Link #25
rorosama Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	why the hell was greed scared of that loser. All envy does is dodge and he wasn't even doing that well in this chapter. Kinda weird seeing the the 3 main homoculus getting their asses handed to them. I imagine ed and al could take them down 1 by 1 if they wanted. Also Spoiler: i don't think havoc is dead? She pierced him in 2 place and may be able to survive through. It isn't as obvious as when hughes got shot in the heart.

2004-08-17, 12:50	Link #26
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	This chapter ended with another cliffhanger just like the previous one. Spoiler: Chapter 37. Hawkeye tries futilely to waste Gluttony. Chapter 38. Gluttony grasps Hawkeye about to eat her. Hayate comes to bite on Gluttony. Hawkeye and Cain shoot endlessly to Gluttony without success. Mustang gets there in the nick of time and fries Gluttony. Chapter 38. Lust pierces Mustang on his lower left side. Chapter 39. ??? Will Hawkeye pay back the favor to Mustang? Appearing from nowhere in the nick of time, shoots Lust thus saving Mustang, likely shooting the stone to prevent her regeneration. Al appears too and uses his alchemy to fight off Lust?

2004-08-17, 13:41	Link #28
ZeroKun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003	Spoiler: GASP! Father has a nice beard, if you know what I mean

2004-08-16, 19:18	Link #22
from_the_sand gomu gomu Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: in my dreams	just a comment about before.... i lnow iit was k ind of answered but, lust said it is the nulcleus of the homunculus, so their material follows it. also to the first comment (i think), according to lust's words, they wouldn't put a stone in a transmuted human, but rather use human materials around it (i think).

2004-08-16, 21:00	Link #23
Yebyosh 冤枉的小狗 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: South East Asia	Chi/Ki detection. Basically Xing was based on Chinese culture and Chinese culture being filled with martial arts that has been greatly exaggerated in the details of abilities and ki. The tales of ki becomes such that highly skilled pugilist can detect/compare the ki of others. This device has been used in a lot of comics with martial arts. In fact, Dragon Ball used it greatly as well (though they made it into a quantised power level thingee). So Lan Fan and Fu likely can detect the amount of life forces (associated with ki) around them and most likely, as Lan Fan had said, Envy has 20+ life forces contained just within him (as we now know is all likely due to the Philosopher's Stone as a heart/core/nucleus). It is not hard to find someone that contains 20+ life forces even in a crowd .

2004-08-17, 15:01	Link #29
wolfi_1412 kid(%) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: British Columbia, Canada	after seeing the full face of Hohemheim, the 'father' in the manga might be him, u knw same 'antenna' same beard, face

2004-08-17, 16:26	Link #30
MidoriShinobi Boha-haha!! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 東京 Age: 35	I always figured that the "father" was Hohemheim, but we'll see. I liked this chapter, but I hate cliff-hangers..

2004-08-17, 18:36	Link #32
Dark Epyon Useless Human Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 35	Who do you think will die next after Hughs? I hope it's Cain he doesn't seem to do much.

2004-08-17, 20:08	Link #33
wolfi_1412 kid(%) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: British Columbia, Canada	um... I might've missed it.. who's Cain? dun remember him...

2004-08-17, 22:43	Link #35
wolfi_1412 kid(%) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: British Columbia, Canada	oh.. I see, so his first name is Kain, so... Father created homunculus from scratch? how? is it from equivalent trade? if so, what did he lose?

2004-08-18, 08:13	Link #38
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	one thing I don't quite like in this chapter is the cliche the-villain-explain-everything-before-the-heroes syndrome... about the Father creating homunculus... I guess the first question should be "what has the Father traded to obtain the philosopher's stones?"

2004-08-18, 21:18	Link #39
wolfi_1412 kid(%) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: British Columbia, Canada	um.. the Ishvaru war?

2004-08-19, 10:47	Link #40
Fei-san Monkeykyou Sharingan Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Schweden, ja! Age: 35	Pride havent been created yet in the manga right? if that's so then maybe they want the "sacrifice" to be a philosophers stone to create Pride?