2013-11-10, 05:43 | Link #7501 |
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Would Houston even be in the running for Manziel though? They have two matches to play against Jacksonville and I doubt they'll lose though. Minnesota still have Seattle, Green Bay, Chicago, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit. Considering their two wins were pretty darn close and they just leak point full stop no matter who they play, Minnesota will struggle to get more wins this year.
My other reasoning is a couple of college columns refered to Manziel as having some qualities similar to Frank Tankerton (mainly the ability [and his method] to avoid getting caught and then make something out of broken plays), a Viking who was a Hall of Famer. I just get this vibe that Minnesota and Manziel may cross paths pretty soon. I know that Frazier's job is on the line and he wants to win, but that defense just gets carved up each week.
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Looking at the schedule, Minnesota will probably end up with the 3rd pick. Buccaneers is highly the first pick while the Jaguars are in the 2nd pick. Houston is right now in the 5th pick while New York is in the 4th pick. I already said that I think the Jaguars should trade down if they are second overall, I think Mariota is a good player however, the Jaguars offensive scheme is not suited for Mariota. I think the Jaguars should wait in the second round to gain a polish prospect in Zach Mettenberger fro LSU. Of course the best thing is Bridgewater, however looking at it, the Buccaneers will have the first pick and will select him. The Jaguars offensive scheme works best with a pocket Quarterback, they are not asking an of their quarterbacks to run the read option or be a dual threat. Houston, Minnesota, Cleveland, and Philadelphia are on the hunt for a Quarterback. i hope the Jaguars will use this to their advantage to gain at least two more picks from them. |
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2013-11-10, 16:30 | Link #7505 | |
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And the Jaguars win their game of the season and with it goes their shot of getting first overall pick of the 2014 NFL draft. They beat the Titans 29-27. And the Ravens VS Bengals go to overtime after an amazing TD catch by A.J. Green. And the Ravens win by an FG, 20-17. Other ganes: Rams beat the Colts 38-8. (How did this happen?) Steelers beat the Bills 23-10. Lions beat the Bears 21-19. Eagels beat the Packers 27-13. (This was bound to happen with the Arron Rogers out and the back up QB Seneca Wallace leaving the game with an groin injury. Now I can see even more so the Packers bring back Matt Flynn.) Seahawks beat the Falcons 33-10. The Giants beat the Raiders 24-20. (After what I saw in the game today, Terrelle Pryor (despite having an injured knee) has shown signs of regression. If I continue to see this regression, I can see the Raiders considering drafting a QB or picking up a free agent QB this offseason.)
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Sadly yes, the Jaguars did win their games. There were people in my house cheering that they won like they were on cloud 9. My girlfriend made them come down to Earth quickly though. She is very scary that time, she told them that while we win a game we lost our best opportunity for the future. Looks like my prediction is the best hope for the Jaguars. Trade down with either the Texans, Vikings, Eagles, and Brown. Let them get Mariota, we get their first round pick and a couple of more picks. Hopefully it is the Vikings so we can get Clowney. |
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2013-11-10, 18:03 | Link #7509 | |
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Currently the draft appears to be First the Buccaneers, 2nd the Jaguars, 3rd is the Vikings, 4th is the Giants, 5th is the Texans, 6th is the Steelers, Falcons at 7th, Bills at 8th, 9th is the Rams, and finally the Raiders. |
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2013-11-10, 19:40 | Link #7513 | |
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Rather then draft him, the Jaguars should take advantage of teams that do want him. The Eagles are at the top who want Mariota. Chip Kelly's offense seems to suit him, but the Eagles are in the middle of the draft. The Vikings seems to be also in the hunt for Mariota as well, they are the more ideal suit to trade down with because it is only a draft spot down. They get their Quarterback while the Jaguars get another player (Hopefully Clowney) and more draft picks. . I am not fully sold on Glennon. It is a kind of thing to discuss after the season is over. Its a 50 and 50 chance, if they do select Clowney, it is still a win for the Jaguars to get Bridewater so either situation can work. |
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2013-11-10, 20:12 | Link #7514 |
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If we don't get the first pick I would do the second option. Vikings will definitely be looking for a QB and trading one spot with them for an extra second or third round pick couldn't hurt since we wouldn't draft Mariota anyway. But, this is assuming Mariota comes out at all this year.
We're still in the hunt for the number 1 pick. I feel like the Bucs will win tomorrow night. Hopefully we go 2-14 or 1-15 and they go one above us. They have enough talent and home games against mediocre teams to get it done. And of course like you said hope Glennon does well the rest of the year so them drafting a QB becomes a moot factor. I think guy a lot of people are overlooking right now is Bryce Petty though. He's draft eligible this year and if you look at what he's done at Baylor he's been every bit as good as Jameis Winston his first full season playing in college. He's completing 69% of his passes, is averaging 13.2 yards an attempt, has 29 total touchdowns and only 1 interception and a passer rating of 210.6. He's 6'3'' 230. And he can run. I have no idea why no one is talking about him seriously. Is he not eligible for 2014? He should be since he's a junior. If he comes out I think we should draft him.
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2013-11-10, 21:22 | Link #7515 | |
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Bryce Petty is eligible for 2014, many draft boards listed him as a 2015 prospect? Can you share us the link of your information? |
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2013-11-10, 21:44 | Link #7516 |
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No particular links, if you just search him most people don't talk about him in the 2014 draft even though he's eligible. Here are his stats from ESPN
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...46/bryce-petty If you compare them to RGIII in his last year at Baylor he compares very favorably and he has the highest passer rating of all the QBs eligible for this draft.
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2013-11-10, 22:25 | Link #7518 |
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The most likely answer is the pure college style offense he runs. Art Briles offense is going to generate numbers no matter what. There have been many QB that have put up insane numbers (a whole bunch of Hawaii QBs like Timmy Chang or Colt Brennan, Kliff Kingsbury when he played, or the Boise St QBs under Chris Petersen like Kellen Moore in wonky offenses then not get a sniff in the NFL.
Hell, look at Case Keenum, he threw 48 touchdown passes his senior year at Houston, yet went undrafted. But that's just a guess. I'm not a scout, so I don't what made Robert Griffin stand out in that system. I haven't seen Baylor play, so maybe Petty lacks arm strength or something, I don't know. But I do know that when dealing with certain system, draft stock is more than just about the numbers. |
2013-11-10, 22:42 | Link #7519 |
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Petty has a great arm. Better than RGIII imo. I know systems mean a lot, it's why I'm not hot on Mariota, but everything I see from Petty makes me think he's a great NFL talent and only behind Bridgewater in this draft. Here's a write up on Petty.
http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft...-prospect.html
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2013-11-10, 23:15 | Link #7520 |
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Heck of a defensive struggle in San Francisco. Well done, Carolina. They are now a legit chance for the playoffs and Seattle just got gifted some major breathing space in the chase for the #1 seed.
Good on Tavon Austin. Hopefully the Rams can give him the chance to do that regularly. Jacksonville get a win - at least they avoid the winless season for the sake of pride. But I seriously hope it doesn't ruin their chances of getting Bridgewater. Foles has to be the starting QB for Philadelphia now, surely? 16 TDs and 0 INTs? He's been far more capable of Chip Kelly's offense than Vick. Green Bay just can't catch a break...injury is just derailing their season. Arizona beat Houston...?? How is it Houston couldn't contain Carson Palmer, who's bean an INT clinic for most of the season? Arians was clearly the right choice of coach, he has Arizona at 5-4 despite major weaknesses. Christ, New Orleans are carving up Dallas. Not to mention Dallas's defense is dropping like flies...Lee out of the game, Ware virtually on one leg, others have fallen. Kenny Stills is one of the steals of the draft - damn, that guy is a major deep ball threat. New Orleans set an NFL record for first downs in a normal-length game into a 49-17 victory. That game was just a procession...Brees just did whatever the hell he wanted. And damn, did Rob Ryan make Dallas pay for cutting him - he had the measure of Dez Bryant and co. all night... Heard some rumblings about coaches for next year. Do you guys think Jack Del Rio and/or the younger Gruden brother would be head coaches next year?
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