2014-03-20, 12:51 | Link #2521 | |
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On another note, I just realized that Fiamma will side with Touma next volume pretty much no what. This is because Touma told Fiamma before that he would fight the entire world if he had to if he had something he needed to protect. Since Fiamma listened to Touma, I'm now sure he'd help him here. I mean Fiamma's in a similar situation to Othinus, right? But even if he isn't noticed by everyone else, Aleister probably noticed him... On another note, I wonder what's going to happen to Fiamma when Aleister realizes he is still alive. It isn't like Aleister doesn't know everything that is going on right now right? Doesn't that mean that we'll either see Fiamma killed or something big will happen next volume. Otherwise, Touma's faction appearing seems more and more likely in order for its members to have protection from Aleister + the others. Maybe the Will of the Misaka network will interfere somehow, but I'm really confused as to how. In a sense, next volume might be the last volume of this part of New Testament because like in Volume 22 a lot of huge things are happening next volume (and because this is a three-parter) like maybe Mikoto finding out about magic God forbid, Aleister trying to do something to Fiamma and maybe Othinus, the Will of the Misaka network somehow helping out Touma next volume maybe by getting Accelerator and indirectly Shiage involved, the Kamijou Faction possibly forming, a lot of unpredictable elements all over the place, and a huge boss rush which is fitting to the last volume of some part of it, but there are honestly too many unpredictable elements. |
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2014-03-20, 13:49 | Link #2523 |
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^^^ tatemiya? i think you mean tsuchimikado right?
the reason for a long accel centic arc: 1. i want to know what this wings are and as #1 i want to see arrogant magician begging for mercy on their knees before accel..... 2. it would also allow others to do more, i would like to see Index or other magicians.... 3. accel is my favo 4. accel is the second MC.... |
2014-03-20, 14:08 | Link #2524 |
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Tbh I think all the MC's are a little overhyped. Although I would like to see more different characters as well, rather with Touma; Kaori, Birdway, Lessar (floris (the one with the beef with touma lol), (if still alive) 2nd Princess Carissa.
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2014-03-20, 14:46 | Link #2525 | |
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Yes, Tatemiya. After being attacked by Itsuwa in NT2, his fate is still unknown, remember?
On another note, NT10 beginning with telling us the fate of the different characters that went out of focus in NT8 would be nice; the magicians fighting GREMLIN elsewhere Stiyl, Brunhild, Silvia, Oriana, but also the final fates of Knight Leader, Carissa and Acqua of the Back. Quote:
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2014-03-20, 17:16 | Link #2526 |
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i doubt they will show the fight of the others im sure kamachi will skip from one scene to another where he shows that every member of gremlin is defeated (maybe (but the chances are small) dead)... than showing touma after he protected othinus and a explosion create because of the AC bombers, touma catches othinus and runs away, completly aware of the fact that nobody would understand and forgive him he tries to bring othinus into savety and than trying to fool the others... while he runs he meets a half-dead fiamma and unconscious ollerus, fiamma tries to understand why touma would do this but he stops since othinus is in 100% failure mode which lets her control touma, he tries to attack but with his crushed body (and not existing arm) he cant create a powerful spell before touma punches him.... before he escapes Thor finds him, they talk and thor understands that touma has his reasons, they fight and before thor can make the final attack he falls to the ground, othinus managed to reach thor after touma stopped his movements (since he is a kung fu master or so), she used a simple but effective sleep spell.... after they escaped they meet silvia and brunhild both could defeat hel but she injured them badly, they cant even use 1% of their normal power so touma was able to knock them out, touma tries to help them but othinus not, after touma talked a bit she helps him.... more AC bombers attack sargasso, he things he is safe but birdway found him, she says that the others are dead (a lie), she questions why he does this but he says she wouldnt understand it, she doubts that othinus controls him because he still acts like always despite the fact that he helps othinus, he says that she wouldnt understand it and if they can go, she agrrees but attacks them with her fire, she says that she will kill othinus if he tries to stop her she will kill him too , touma now angry because he understands othinus fights with levinia, after the same stuff like NT6 birdway shows her other magic, which overhelmes touma completly, suddenly her body boosts (they made her faster ,stronger, etc.) are running into the opposite direction (she slows down), touma realizes that othinus used something similar to spell intercept and can defeat her.... after that they vanish and after birdway wakes up she sees accel who brought her to the others , her we see that Index,mikoto, lessar are only a bit injured because accel saved them, he also found fiamma,ollerus,silvia,brunhild,thor and brought them to the save place..... he wants to know where touma is because a certain person begged him for his help (the Will)... everyone looks at birdway here she says that touma and othinus are working together, mikoto and Index dont believe her and are saying that she lies or touma is controlled..... birdway questions accel if he tries to find them but before she can say more he says that this stuff wouldnt be his business and that touma is on his own... worst, umidori, shiage shows up and tells them that they "stopped" AC attack.... they want to know where touma is and accel says that he has no idea, what he (touma) does isnt important for him (accel)..... more magic side chars shows up while the others (accel /Index and Co. (without lessar,birdway) walk to a mobile plane and return back to AC..... meanwhile touma and othinus could reach a far place, he pulls his handy out and looks at it, othinus questions if he is sure, he could return but touma throws his phone into the ocean and says that he told her he would protect her even if he fights against the whole world... a few people finds them, it isnt clear who but it is hinted that they are utgoria-loki, sigyn, etc. at least touma and othinus are walking into their direction..... her the spoiler of NT10 XD have fun |
2014-03-20, 17:45 | Link #2528 | |
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And then the second half from Touma and Othinus' perspective as they race against time to escape/defeat the ennemies, and find a cure to Othinus' condition. Random idea: who here have a theory about how Othinus could be saved? I was thinking about maybe seal off Othinus' magic, making her a normal human. For example, using a spell linked to Idol Theory: in Greek Mythology, the immortal centaur Chiron was accidentally shot by one of Heracles' deadly arrows, which happened to be covered in Hydra blood. The venom kept the wound from ever healing, and caused such excruciating pain that Chiron willingly gave up his immortality/exchanged it with the mortality of a normal human, and died to be rid of it.
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2014-03-20, 19:06 | Link #2529 |
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good theory but who could do this spell? or think about the possibility that something like that works?? i doubt that they will do something about the fairy spell, touma will be forced to look how othinus endures pain and his motivation will be increased even more, after the spell is done othinus will loose her special properties as majin, therefore she will not be able to use large scale spells (she does not possess the needed mana etc.)... i think it is possible to have such a chapter, from different perspectives.... |
2014-03-20, 23:35 | Link #2531 | |
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I'd say next volume has too many expectations from too many people, and Kamachi needs to impress somehow next volume because of the 10th anniversary and possibility of the new season of the Index anime around then... All I hope is that next book is more amazing than this past one (i.e. if two chapters of the next book are as good as chapter 7 of this past book; it can even be a chapter and a half... ) |
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1) What need would there be for a Holistic Esper powers if magic could reproduce its effects and methodologies? It may have been nothing more than a deception to hide the fact that Othinus could make Gungnir on her own, but it had to be plausible to magicians in order to work. If magic worked the way you say it does, Othinus' ploy wouldn't have fooled anyone. 2) Othinus said in NT 9 that IB has problems functioning when the world itself is interfered with, which is why IB couldn't stop her from warping the world. If all spells warped the whole world, IB would have problems against all of them. This is not observed in practice. Quote:
It makes more sense that there is a special ceremony required to fully become a Majin and Ollerus lost the 1 in 10000 years chance to cast it that will probably never appear again in his lifetime. Even if Othinus dies, a new opportunity won't automatically appear. Quote:
Ollerus was a half-Majin. One would expect a full Majin to work in the same way, but better. It would be natural to expect Majin mana to be even weirder and more special than half-Majin mana. I cannot deny your speculation that Majin might simply be able to produce infinite mana, but please be aware that your speculation is less simple than mine. ---------- On another topic, your speculation about the plot of NT 10, aside from being too detailed to possibly be 100% correct has a few flaws. Personally, I believe that any fight with Thor would happen a lot later than you're suggesting. Thor is Gremlin's number 2, a combat specialist who can fight a war all on his own. With nothing more than 1% of his Lightning God powers he managed to fight a Saint and his Almighty powers are implied to be far, far stronger than that. Fiamma has lost his right arm and got pasted by 0% success Othinus. Othinus and Ollerus have been depowered. Curtana Original is broken. There is a very real possibility that right now, Thor is the strongest active character on the Magic side and even if he isn't, it would be hard to argue that he isn't in the top 5. I believe that Thor is a solid last boss candidate. He's powerful enough and he owes Touma a rematch for the fight at the end of NT 6. Plus, he is an excellent foil to our protagonist, a version of Touma who embraced power instead of rejecting it, to the point where it swallowed him up and he forgot whether he had gained power to save people, or whether he saved people just because it coincidentally let him gain experience and more power. @Pablete, sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to tell me. I'm afraid that one sentence is not self-explanatory.
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you misunderstoooooodddd mmmeeeeeeeeee than again as example: imagine: the normal world (without supernatural stuff) is a song, lets say Eye of the Tiger - Index can distort this song in different places via her grimoire, this means than one second of this song vanishes or that someoen else sings this part, or the music is higher or deeper... she can affect various places of it but not the whole song... - Othinus can affect the whole song, that means she can let it being sung by a woman instead of a male, or that the overall music is higher or deeper in his tones... BUT she cant affect the original song, that means the song created by the first band, Othinus can change the song as much times as she want but the orinigal is their everytime... Index can affect parts of the song since she mastered magic too but dont possess the magical power to complete the evolution into a majin... i think Aleisters Plan is to reach the point where he can actually control the first song, the original sung by the band (god), that means he would change the song and nobody sees any difference than before because for them the song was always sung by a woman and not by a male.... so if you look at this from this point i dont think it is so impossible that Index would archieve the same level as othinus only because she mastered the grimoire and evolves into the 'Juubi' Quote:
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remeber thor vs silvia? silvia toyed with him while thor needed to fight serious even if he holded himself back since he didnt used Mijölnir and Almigthy Mode.... it is true he is the second strongest but silvia > thor, and kanzaki > brunhild = mikoto (im not sure if they fought seriously), but i can easily think: saints > thor, birdway, and other 'saint-level'-chars... therefore Thor will be at best number 20-30 which is also a impressive feat for a normal human but of course i can be wrong and he is much more powerful than i think, but i doubt that he could (even in his almighty mode (maybe gaining a boost throught mijölnir too)) do really much againt the Nukes of the Magic Side.... Quote:
if i would choose: birdway (like i have in my story) or mikoto, mayb eto 1% Index... PS: do you agree that Touma would only fight against already worn out chars ?? i doubt that he could do much even as wing-chun-master or whatever agaisnt a char which moves with the speed of sound or shots multiple attacks from different directions..... |
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@LevelSeven, It seems we've reached the limits of our logic. I guess the only thing we can do now is cross our fingers and hope future volumes, possibly the next, will resolve our argument on Majins for us.
For what it's worth, if you turn out to be right after all you can have a cookie. Only one though. I have to save the rest and a glass of milk on the off chance Othinus Claus turns out to be real. Quote:
More food for thought. Remember Acqua of the Back's strongest attack? The one where he lifted his mace, made it glow blue, then dropped down on the target and assaulted them with incredible pressure? The one that heavily damaged Kanzaki the first time and would have wiped her and the Amakusa out had he successfully used it a second time? IB negated that. IB could not negate Thor's 2 km electric claws. Thor's full Lightning God powers alone are already well above ordinary Saint level in terms of power output. Thor vs Silvia is mostly meaningless. As you pointed out, he was holding back. He may have been struggling with only 20 m claws, but had he been willing to damage the city around him he could have made his life a lot easier. Even Saints would need a couple of seconds to cross 2 km, not to mention the 100-fold increased power could have helped him cut through Silvia's barriers. That's without bringing his Almighty form into the equation. Keep in mind that Thor was planning on fighting either Othinus or Ollerus as the next step in his training regimen. If a Saint would have done just fine he could have fought one of them instead. That he didn't implies that at full power, defeating a Saint wouldn't earn him any exp. Quote:
Even without her powers, people will still want to get back at Othinus for what she did, or torture her to get all sorts of magical secrets. Touma can protect her in the short term, but he can't do so forever, if only because the plot has to move on from Gremlin. I believe the following solutions would be possible: 1) Touma convinces Birdway to take Othinus in. Birdway vs Touma - round 2 may be involved. Dawn Colored Sunlight is already at odds with all the big magic organizations like Necessarius, so they should have the resources to protect someone long term. This might make life harder for them, but the value of having an ex-Majin at hand could compensate for that. 2) Thor, Marian and Mjölnir form a party together with Othinus and they all escape together. Thor is a nice guy, sort of, and Marian seems to me like the only member of Gremlin who cared about Othinus as a person instead of a wish granting tool. Mjölnir will follow anywhere Marian goes. It shouldn't be hard to convince those three to protect her, although some fighting might be involved. Is anyone else afraid that Marian may have made a new Dainsleif while we weren't looking? Between all of them, they should be able to evade pursuit indefinitely. 3) Both of the above. 4) Othinus becomes Othinus Claus. Everyone agrees to forgive her out of the Christmas spirit.[/joke] Well, we'll see. Birdway, however, should still have full HP and MP right now. Hopefully he'll have recruited Mikoto by the time supersonic characters come into the equation. He can't do anything alone, but if she takes care of the close quarters combat threats, he can manage against the long range forming a solid combination. This would have the added benefit of satisfying all of the Mikoto fans.
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2014-03-22, 05:31 | Link #2536 |
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I still can't see Touma will fight all of them...For intances Mikoto, i can't see she will attack Touma(on serious term, not mock battle), then Accelerator i think right now he smart and wise enough to see what is going on even not the situation, at least he must be understand about Touma, etc.
BUt again, Index who usually have "nun" manner when on the job talked harshly toward Othinus, wah i confused myself... Can't wait for the next volume. |
2014-03-22, 08:31 | Link #2537 |
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what makes me so confident that touma will fight against many of them is the afterword : boss rush,
of course he cant win if they are by full HP/MP but why should kamachi show the others fight if they will not appear in the next volume and will be defeated because they are "half dead"? i can be wrong (of course i can) but from the financial point (which is the major point which influences kamachi in his decisions for the story) im sure it would be better to let touma vanish for 4-6 chapters and than BAM! the volume he shows up will reach over 100k and if handled correctly he would give toaru more fame (is famous enough but more is always better)..... therefore i dont see a point why he wouldnt use such a chance, afterall with a long arc (which is centered around accel and shiage and also involve the magic side) he could give them a better image (they are also good like they are now but at least shiage would gain a bit more fans XD)..... |
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@LevelSeven, the problem with Touma disappearing for a while is that he can't. Radiosonde Castle has already proven that IB can be traced and Touma can't turn it off. Even if he fakes his death, someone might try to trace it, just in case.
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