2010-12-22, 21:02 | Link #20221 |
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Well the trick here is one that I think ep7 might actually call into question (pay attention to Maria).
How does Ange verify that the message bottles are genuine? She compares the handwriting. Okay, so they match. That proves Professor Ootsuki's explanation that the message bottles were found shortly after the event, must have been written before it, and only eventually wound up somewhere he could access and study them. Wait. It doesn't prove that at all. It proves one thing, and one thing only: That the same person wrote in both documents. If you doubt the authenticity of Maria's diary, the authenticity of the message bottles is in question. Alternately, if you doubt Ootsuki's story (and he has no way to demonstrate that a fisherman/the police actually found the message bottle versus just being told a fisherman/the police did), any or all of those documents could have been produced at any time, whether before the incident or for some time thereafter. Why would Ootsuki believe a story like that? Well, he's someone who is inclined to believe that. He wants a mystery to exist. Even if he genuinely believes it, can we trust his explanation? Can Ange? Of course Ange is going to be a biased source. There is no doubt in her mind that Maria's diary is authentic at the time. That doesn't make it so. Mind, they could still also predate the event. But they would be much easier to make conform to events as appropriate if they came after. And note that, in the message bottles themselves, Sakutaro doesn't exist. Which he wouldn't, if the only one in the world happened to have been destroyed before the conference. Which squares with the diary. But is the diary real? EDIT: And yes I realize the Eva thing but the fact that Eva doesn't survive in ep1-2 doesn't necessarily prove that the message bottle writer has to have been writing before she was known to have survived.
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2010-12-22, 21:04 | Link #20222 | ||
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I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. Some people are probably going to go nuts when they see the murders for the first time. "Ah! I knew that fat fuck George did it! I was riiiight!", etc... Yeah, I'll be doing a proper read through first, thanks. Quote:
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2010-12-22, 21:27 | Link #20224 | |
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2010-12-22, 21:34 | Link #20225 | ||
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You're being a bit arrogant don't you think?
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2010-12-22, 21:35 | Link #20226 | |
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If Maria's diary was important to her, why wasn't it in her bag? If it was in her bag, how did it survive when Maria supposedly was so blow'd up they only found her jaw? When did Ange have the opportunity to go scavenging in her cousin's things? Similar issue with the Mammon stake surviving. The best explanation I've seen someone come up with is "it was a different diary she left at home," but if it's the one full of Beatrice's writings, surely it's the diary Maria would bring along with her when she plays with Beatrice? I'd be surprised if he just let things stand at that without even addressing it in ep8. That does assume we get more Ange, though. If he never talks about it, then it was probably intended to be the way it appears. But it seems like something he shouldn't leave hanging.
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2010-12-22, 21:48 | Link #20227 | |
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I really like your theory on George as well. That's why I placed a link to it at the top of my Asumu theory. I think you should focus more on the wedding proposal. It's appeared in so many games that it cannot be unimportant in my opinion: -If Battler returns a year earlier, it's a year before George's proposal. -If Battler returns a year latter then George already proposed. Seems like the pivot point. No? I wouldn't speak to just anyone like that. Some people deserve respect and some deserve less.
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2010-12-22, 21:50 | Link #20228 |
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Possible options are-
A) The diary was left home for that trip, either Maria forgot to bring it there or she willfully left there. B)Maria brought it but left it in a place where the blast radius wouldn't reach it (very improbable, how would it get to Ange if its in such a remote place?) C)Someone other than Maria wrote the diary and was able to sneak it with her belongings (who and why? This person would need to know about Maria's relation with Beatrice and would even know about Mariage Sorciere, wasn't Ange part of this and knew about it?) D) Someone survived the events in Rokkenjima, took diary and placed it with the other belongings |
2010-12-22, 21:56 | Link #20229 | |
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I did use quotes from the proposal scenes here and there. I don't think Everything in those scenes can be used as a hint, but I can look further into it.
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I mean, it's right in the premise. Come on. Quote:
Beatrice's heart is understood through a game where she is not the culprit. Your thesis fails. Quote:
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@Rose: THAT FUCKER PUT A DAMAGED ROSE IN THE FOOD? Well, shit, I hope no one got fucking worms from that shit. No wonder that asshole got fired from his last job. Everyone on Rokkenjima died of unsanitary food.
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2010-12-23, 00:00 | Link #20235 | ||
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It doesn't matter how many characters exist inside the story only one heart needs to be understood by the sleuth in order to solve the mystery and that's the heart of the culprit. Any other character would fall in the background if compared to the culprit's heart. Since Yasu's objective is to make Battler understand her heart, Yasu necessarily needs to be the culprit in her story.
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2010-12-23, 00:14 | Link #20236 | ||
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As for how I can trust that Yasu isn't the culprit, the fact that all of Beato's meta-characters keep saying that someone else is doing it, the magic circles are wrong, etc, are a pretty good indication. I mean, unless you think Ryukishi's just putting in a whole bunch of irrelevant garbage. Quote:
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2010-12-23, 06:55 | Link #20239 | |
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Also, Yasu being the culprit in her own story doesn't take any meaning she may be trying to convey.
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2010-12-23, 08:56 | Link #20240 |
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There are arguments for and against. The overarching theme is that the "Golden Witch Beatrice" perpetrated a series of impossible crimes using magic. Whether the meaning lies in the fantasy or the solution to it can be debated. Whether the solution leads to Yasu as culprit can be, too.
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