2011-01-15, 09:49 | Link #21503 |
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Pretty sure George had hidden the letter. Even after coming back after 6 years, Battler still had feelings for Shannon and felt jealous when he saw George and Shannon together. With that seen, it's hard to believe Battler didn't give Shannon a letter. Besides, George apparently already knew about Battler and Shannon's relationship, but still acted innocent when the letters were passed, and also kept insisting to shannon that battler will never return.
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2011-01-15, 12:16 | Link #21505 |
Miss Kimi
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Residing as the 18th guest of Rokkenjima
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Battler probably knows he said bye to her and "promised" to come back, but maybe it was just a joke on his part? He was only 13 when he said it, or he was probably just so shy he said it to sound adult or something.
Battler maybe just forgot the love. George is such an ass, he maybe sent letters to Battler saying, "Oh ya, Shannon's doing great without you~ " just to sabatoge the relationship more(LOL sorry I dunno if they ever had contact, just kidding) I hate George, if only he gave Shannon the darn letter, it would've probably changed things D:<
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2011-01-15, 15:08 | Link #21507 | |
非合理の魔女
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Germany
Age: 36
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Judging from George's dialogue when he hands Shannon the empty bag, and him mentioning again and again that Battler probably won't return, and the whole envy talk in EP7... well, at least it has been established in EP1-6 that George will go to great lengths to have Shannon for himself. Because Shannon never replied, Battler probably thought she had lost interest and started to more or less forget about her after a while too.
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2011-01-15, 15:24 | Link #21508 |
The True Culprit
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That, and of course he'd feel like he has no right to interfere with the George/Shannon romance after six years of no contact, and he'd probably lie about the extent of how much he moved on so that Shannon doesn't feel obligated or anything.
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2011-01-15, 16:47 | Link #21510 |
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So if we establish that Battler's sin is him forgetting his love of Shannon, let's think of what would of happened if Battler didn't forget, which would probably be the marriage of Battler and Shannon. If Shannon does know where the gold is, it is probable that she'd share this info with Battler. Battler would likely share the info with his family, and decide what to do with it, (no idea what he would do with it). When this happens, the culprit's motive should be eliminated.
The problem is that several people's motives are eliminated if it is just "lol gold". George has the most prominent motive which doesn't involve gold, which is to get Shannon to love him, but it is not entirely eliminated if Shannon marries Battler. (He can still kill everyone who opposes him and force Shannon to marry him, though she'll likely refuse) After this line of logic though I'm stuck. The only theory that makes sense to me is Kyrie killing because she wants a better life for Ange, but the entire idea of Kyrie as a culprit seems to be a way for Bern to troll Ange. |
2011-01-15, 17:04 | Link #21512 | |
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To be honest, I don't think it's just "LOL Gold". In fact, this is why I think Battler being Kyrie's son is so important. Just see Kyrie's reaction when Rudolph told her the truth about Battler's birth. I think she simply just didn't care any more, and probably thought "fuck it, at least I can have that gold".
Something I find really funny, is that Rudolph's secret (the one he had to tell Kyrie and Battler) was brought up in the first story, which was supposedly written by Yasu. How would she know about that? I believe Rudolph told Kyrie about Battler before the family conference. In addition, as it has already been theorised, Yasu had made her "mystery story" plan, and this, I believe was exploited by Kyrie. Furthermore, I don't think Kyrie just went without a plan. I believe she had already approached Yasu, and she probably threatened her by saying she'd kill Battler if she didn't cooperate. Whether this happened before Yasu had told her plan to all the adults or before (Kyrie could have figured out several things beforehand), I don't think it matters much. I believe George could have been an accomplice. There are several things like him always setting up the rose, his constant meetings with Shannon, and several other things like the supposedly parlour door in EP1, or the meeting in the chapel in EP2, him going to the mansion without anyone noticing in EP3, and the weird thing with Jessica in EP4. I think him joining would also give a reason for Eva not to want to disclose the truth, because this way she wouldn't only be protecting Ange, but her son as well. Whether Rudolph joined or not, I don't know. However, I wouldn't be surprised if did out of guilt. Quote:
In Umineko, this is one of the identities taken by Yasu, and her shape as that of the first witch Yasu saw herself as.
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2011-01-16, 15:49 | Link #21516 |
BUY MY BOOK!!!
Join Date: May 2009
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Battler's sin was remembering. Because he did it.
Why else is Tohya afraid of him? It's freakin' Seagull Club. EDIT: To extend upon this idea, what Battler realizes at the end of ep5 is that he completely understands Beatrice's writing style, and thus that she is scapegoating herself. However, he also realizes the MO of the killer as presented in the various closed rooms can only match a person with an incredibly analytical mind and an intense background in mysteries. Yasu is eliminated as a culprit in his mind because she's scapegoating herself which means she didn't do it... which only leaves a single possible person: Battler himself. Culprits: Battler, Yasu; Yasu attempts to kill herself out of guilt and take Battler with her, but he survives. Accomplices: Nanjo, Kumasawa, Genji; all killed when convenient. I could just be making all of this up though.
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2011-01-16, 17:55 | Link #21519 | ||||
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Shannon was watching the entire time he was handing out the letters. There is no way she would have missed George taking two letters and stuffing it into his pocket and no way she wouldn't have been suspicious. The only one who could have taken it was the person who had the envelope before Shannon ever saw it, which was Kyrie. Kyrie has no reason to take the letter because she doesn't even care about Battler and what he does with his life. Second of all, allow me to refer you to this quote. One Battler said in EP 3 maybe ten minutes after Shannon repeated the '< See you again>' line. Quote:
Along with that, it's entirely possible he forgot to write a letter. It had been three years and a lot happened. His mother died, he suddenly had a sister, he found out his father was having an affair, so yes it's possible with all those things piling up at once for his mind to slip up in remembering a girl he met only once a year. Battler's memory alone isn't all that amazing if you recall too. Sorry, but I can't stand people making George out to be such a bad guy. Yes he liked Shannon, but I don't think he would go to such lengths. And even if he did, there's no way she couldn't have noticed if she was watching the letters being handed out the entire time. |
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2011-01-16, 18:30 | Link #21520 |
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I really have no trouble believing that George "Kill Everyone For Our Love" Ushiromiya would go to such lengths to make sure he has Shannon all to himself. And it's not like that scene is terribly descriptive; for all we know George had his back to Shannon at some point, or at least some opportunity to pull some sleight of hand. He was moving around from person to person passing them out, after all.
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