2009-04-09, 07:11 | Link #822 |
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I know I'm definitely overanalyzing it , it's kinda my obsession to seek those things wich doesn't make too much sense. That's why I warned everyone not to take it the wrong way, and just ignore it if anyone is not interested in it.
I was just trying to point out, that there are quite a few contradictions in ep4, which one cannot really logically explain, unless we heavily complement those things using our imagination. edit: Spoiler for I'm not trying to be finicky or anything, but my point isn't how the 2 stake sisters are "killed"/gravely injured by Kyrie and Rudolf and revived.:
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2009-04-09, 08:02 | Link #823 | |
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This has nothing to do with Umineko, but when I was a child I happened to discover a few books in my mothers bookshelf. A lot of them came from my aunties when they and my mother still lived together. Those books were books about magic and that was enough to trigger my interest for many years. One of my auts still call herself a "witch" and affectionally calls me the Witch of April. A mentor is not really necessary, you are able to learn quite a lot by yourself, and since Mariah seems to have some light kind of rainman-syndrome it is not that impossible. And about that black magic part, I know from personal experience that it actually is pretty easy to confuse some magic from another, especially if you're on your own. |
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2009-04-09, 08:14 | Link #824 |
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But you seem to forget that there were drawing from another person inside her book, also a message at the end of her book which says that a person which calls herself Beatrice acknowledges her as a witch. I don't think she did that on her own. Also I don't think that she has "imaginary friends" which could be the "Beatrice" and "Virgillia" we saw. It's more like she alters things to her liking. And like this her toys become friends and maybe Kumasawa becomes "Virgillia" only Beatrice confuses me.
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2009-04-09, 08:41 | Link #826 | |
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I also don't remember the vessel and ingredient thing °°, that wouldn't be the first time i forget something... however it looks that even ace doesn't remember that.
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I think Maria's case is closer to a paranoid-type schizophrenia.
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2009-04-09, 08:47 | Link #827 |
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The "vessel" of the siesta sisters probably has nothing to do with the stakes; that is they are not the same thing. The identity of the vessel has been speculated: you can probably pick that up from the first half of ep4 if you read really carefully. If not, it should be more appearant near midgame and even more by looking at the TIPS at the end.
Second thing that might take away some of the confusion is that, the events of 1998 in ep4 are very likely to be a continuation of the events from the hiddden tea party of ep3. That is, ep4 has 3 "parts". Before 1986 (history), Rokkenjima 1986 (ep4), and 1998 (contuine from ep3). Spoiler:
Third thing: don't stress over ep4's "fantasy" scenes too much. Many scenes in the first half are really just Maria/Ange's delusions.
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2009-04-09, 09:15 | Link #828 | |
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While it is quite obvious the connection with the bunnies, there's the winchester stuff that also seems to link to the siestas...
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2009-04-09, 09:21 | Link #829 |
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maybe that winchester connection is just mumbo jumbo... i mean they are also supposed to be at the service of arthur pendragon or something... what's the connection between a winchester and a knight of the round?
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2009-04-09, 10:16 | Link #831 |
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A line from Eva-b:
「………そりゃあ、先代さまの使い古しの家具じゃ無理で当然ね。 ……私には私に相応しい、新しい家具じゃないと駄目よ。 私、義理で使ったけど。 ……元々、お古は嫌いなの。」 It's obvious it'd be impossible with the worn out furniture from my predecessor I must have new furniture suitable for me I used them (stakes) out of duty, though. From the beginning, I didn't want used stuff Eva-b was using the stakes because there was a script to follow (the riddle of the portrait...) To me Eva-b was only looking down at belphegor remains with disgust for her incompetence... To assume this ingredient thing... it's up to you... As for the number of siestas, just read the TIPS about them... Well You're free to suppose what you want... But, like that, it only make things harder to match...
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2009-04-09, 10:22 | Link #832 | |
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Well I certainly hope the answer arcs are going to have a logical explaination on all of these semi-irrevelant contradictions (depends on viewpoint of course). |
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2009-04-09, 12:02 | Link #833 | |
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Ah, sorry about the confusion. My comment was a bit irrelevant but I just felt like pointing it out, I did not mean to offend anyone. I apologise for the bad choice of words. |
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2009-04-09, 14:00 | Link #835 |
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Yeah, I also think that, since there are so many disorders that the time I first looked at them I always mixed them up xD especially personality disorders were hard to differ. I think even now I sometimes mix them up.
Also i think Maria isn't mentally ill in the beginning. The time she started talking to her toys and imagines that those are her friends was just a a normal reaction of lonely girl and no disorder. I think the traumatic experience in which Rosa destroyed those "friends" triggered the disorder. |
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