2008-12-20, 18:44 | Link #241 |
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Kind of posted the same thing in episode 12 discussion but since it suits here too here it goes - I remember there is an Elton John song called "I want love" which goes with lyrics -
I want love That doesn't mean a thing I want love, just a different kind I want love, won't break me down Won't brick me up, won't fence me in I want a love, that don't mean a thing That's the love I want, I want love Kind of suits what Ami said in a sense as her love/romance is similar to that. Her love isnt strong as such, it doenst make her dependable, but it is love in its own terms, just of different kind. |
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As was said, the novel isn't over yet, and JC staff might give the anime a different direction. |
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2009-01-06, 03:13 | Link #251 |
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I've grown to like Ami.
At first, I didn't like her, but now, I see her in a different light. She has opened up to the main characters, and seems generally nice overall. So, what the posters above me have said. |
2009-01-08, 10:06 | Link #252 |
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The latest episode actually helped me in understanding Ami's character a bit more.
I think it is becoming very clear that Ami is not really interested in Ryuji in a physical attraction way nor a romantic sort of feeling, but rather the very specific quality that Ryuji demonstrates towards Taiga - namely pretty much how Ryuji will let Taiga run all over him yet still he would do his best to make Taiga happy, despite them not really be in a romantic relationship nor Ryuji wanting something in return from Taiga. Ami is secretly still wishing for this accommadating quality from a partner where she could be as selfish and bratty as she wants (without putting on her fake face) and still be accepted, while otoh she being a bit more matured and entered working society she also knew that she can't do that without being shunt on by her peers outside of school. This is where her conflicts comes from and why she looks at Ryuji differently. It's also very telling again on the author's view on relationship because it is almost ironic that Ami is supposedly the one with the perfect sexual appeal, yet she seeks preciously someone that is unmoved by her physical attractiveness and wants someone who would basically babysit her without demanding anything in return (I don't think I would be off by saying that this is the exact same fantasy dream partner for a few females) - the exact way that Ryuji takes care of Taiga. It says a lot about how the author wants to protray relationships in ToraDora when 2 out of the 3 main female characters ends up finding this quality in their potential interest to be the most attractive point. I was particularly excited to see that the anime original scene where Ami happily accepting the "you're still a child" comment from Ryuji, which supports a similiar analogy by me above of Ami causing havok to seek attention as a child-like behaviour. It's always nice to be proven right. And a little kudos for dense Ryuji to be at least able to pick up some right hints from Ami for once.
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You know, I have a little problem with people inferring that the male protagonists in romantic comedy/drama series are always dense. Maybe sometimes that's true, but here, on Toradora!, it's just not applicable.
And I do not agree with your point that Ami isn't romantically interested in Ryuji. At least to me, that's still very ambiguous. You could be over analyzing the situation a bit, there.
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2009-01-08, 12:48 | Link #254 |
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houkoholic I am not so sure about your point that Ami like Ryuuji is not physically attracted. We do see in novels a descriptions which do indicate that physically Ryuuji does find Taiga attractive. In anime, maybe not that much though. But the physical attractiveness exist in the novels it just never really gets expanded and is suppressed to show a dysfunctional relationship where one part of the relationship is overemphasized over the other.
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2009-01-08, 13:19 | Link #256 |
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But what you're trying to say is that emotional comfort is the only thing she's seeking in Ryuji (or whomever else she pursues). There's not enough here to back that claim up. And I'm only talking about the anime version (or the novels up to the penultimate chapter of volume 4 - as I'm following the Baka-Tsuki translations).
As for him being dense, we'll just have to agree to disagree, then. I, for one, find him quite perceptive - a welcome change, in fact.
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2009-01-08, 13:39 | Link #257 |
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Hou, I obviously can't argue with you about the novels as you've read more than I have but as far as the anime goes it seems pretty clear that JC Staff's goal with the new material is to solidify Ami having feelings for Ryuuji for the audience. Mainly by showing her longing/sad looks when he's with the other girls or leaving her at the end of a scene.
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Actually it only shows more about how much she wishes that Ryuji to pay the same kind of attention to her like he would to Taiga, as her jealous reactions are specifically towards when Ryuji acts nice to Taiga's selfishness and that only, she wants Ryuji to know that she is lonely and isolated just like Taiga. When she said Taiga is already very lucky/happy to Ryuji, she obviously wasn't refering to Taiga having a romantic partner, but rather the fact that Taiga has someone as caring as Ryuji who is worried about the happiness of Taiga even though they are not in a romantic relationship (and Ami knows Ryuji at this point really likes Minorin instead too!). Thus it doesn't say much about the romantic feelings because jealousy doesn't have to come from romantic feelings, jealousy can come from the preception that the other party is better off than onself. Again the whole analogy to a child misbehaving as a signal to compete for attention from an adult is IMO the right one here, as the conversation in ep14 shows that she'd rather not be treated as an adult and we were shown how Ami was trying to reach out to the other friends and peers she had but only Ryuji managed to pick up her distress signal this time.
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I was arguing about Taiga because you drew a parallel between Ami's feelings to Ryuuji and Ryuujis feelings to Taiga. Since you said that Ami is not physically attracted to Ryuuji the same should be applied to Ryuuji and Taiga if we are to follow your parallel and this is something I cannot agree.
You call it pure love, or Junai, I call it dysfunctional relationship, everyone have their own right for the vocabulary. Your point is? It is not like i am trying to convince everyone about it in my post, so your reaction is too exaggerated. This merely a term I am using to call the thing you are calling 'pure love'. In both cases both terms are valid as they are used as means to express oneself, if you don't like it, well sorry, but you'll have to bear with it. I have already provided my musings about why I call it dysfunctional as I am referring them to the real world. If you want for me not to call that this way you should actually convince that such relationship exists in reality and is fully functional. So far from my own, short experienced I have came to conclusion of impossibility of such relationship existence and impossibility of the actual separation. You haven't answered to that yet all that you keep repeating like broken gramophone is that this is a relationship the author tries to portray, and this is, no point in argue, it doesnt change my point about it being dysfunctional though. |
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