2013-06-06, 21:48 | Link #2361 | |
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a) Kirino's true feelings lurking beneath the surface (and the ways she tried to hide it) b) Manami's true intentions lurking beneath the surface (and the ways she tried to hide it) c) The way Kyousuke both falls-into and slips-away-from Manami's plans, and towards Kirino (often despite Kirino's brash/abrasive attitude). And the key points to know are as follows: Kirino: 1. Has been in love with Kyousuke since childhood 2. Became estranged from Kyousuke due to Manami's intervention 3. Is deeply resentful of both Kyousuke and Manami Manami: 1. Has been in love with Kyousuke since childhood 2. Got closer to Kyousuke after she drove a wedge between him and Kirino 3. Doesn't want to lose Kyousuke to Kirino (and only Kirino) at any cost Kyousuke: 1. Used to be a leader/go-getter 2. Settled on the boring life after Manami's intervention 3. Wants to win Kirino's affection back Knowing all this now, I think a lot of things become a lot more clear.
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2013-06-06, 21:52 | Link #2362 |
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To hopefully clarify to some people about the discarding of the foreshadowing of Kuroneko's notebook, I think the author intended to use the notebook's foreshadowing to redirect speculation towards another angle due to focus that the two pictures had and how much people noticed them.
But, it is likely that the page that shows the incarnation of despair(really, really sad face) was actually the true foreshadowing and those other two pictures were meant to circumnavigate attention from that picture of despair. This is all a theory though, but it does somewhat answer the question of why that foreshadowing of the three people in the table was not used and I think the term for this is false leads, like in mysteries. :/ The answer being that those two pictures were fake foreshadowing, foreshadowing that attempted to attempted to circumnavigate attention from the "legit" foreshadowing. I repeat, this is all a theory.
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2013-06-06, 22:01 | Link #2363 | |
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Why travel a road of thousand miles if the goal sucks for you? Some optimists might say: "It's the travel what matters". Screw that, if goal sucks no point in making a travel. I can read Toradora over and over and i know i will come back eventually, because the road was great, then goal was too. But not this one. I cannot hop into the incest boat because everything in the setting was, more or less, credible and viable, possible in the realm of reality. But do not throw an incest-happy ever after ending in there because it is just not compatible with the setting, therefore I cannot buy it. |
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2013-06-06, 22:07 | Link #2364 | |
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But anyway, personally, the thing I find most interesting about stories is usually trying to piece together the puzzle, and seeing the way everything is connected. And while this isn't the ending I expected most, I do see how the puzzle pieces fit, so that keeps me interested.
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2013-06-06, 22:09 | Link #2365 | |
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In some ways this is a tragic ending if you extend the timeline since I'm sure they will lose their parents support, I'm sure Manami and her family will not want to see Kyousuke's face ever again, and that's a shame since they were nice people with him all his life. Some foreshadows say Kirino lost contact with Kuroneko (the twitter thing). I don't think Saori can hold the group by herself with the tension of having a sister-brother couple and an exgirlfriend in it, eventually Ayase will end up desserting Kirino given the moralist she is...well, so many points that make this ending bullshit in my book, that's why i'm not interested on it anymore and was my favorite series since i watched the first season of the anime, and that for me is really sad. |
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2013-06-06, 22:12 | Link #2366 | ||
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2013-06-06, 22:15 | Link #2367 | |
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2013-06-06, 22:22 | Link #2368 | |
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Also, one of the good friends from back in day, was "technically" an offspring of an incestual relationship(1st cousins I think). He was a normal, smart, and funny guy, and condemning his parents because of "OMG INCEST IS BAD" would have been messed up in my eyes, since in a way, I would have technically been denying his existence. Bear in mind that with the whole liberal/Democrat propaganda going on in the US, I think a lot of moral and ethical values will change, for whatever reason they give.
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2013-06-06, 22:25 | Link #2369 | |
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Basically, given that the story revolves around Kirino and Kyousuke falling (or "re-falling"?) in love with each other, there aren't so many ways to end it and still have the pieces fit. Both the journey and the destination have to connect to each other. (I do realize that nothing I say is going to make you "like the ending" of course. And as I said before, I want to actually get the rest of the details myself to make a fuller judgement.)
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2013-06-06, 22:28 | Link #2370 | ||
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It's almost as if the story was setup as a giant VN where the flags for all the routes gets tripped, and then the author just decided to settle on a single route at the end. Quote:
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2013-06-06, 22:31 | Link #2371 |
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In restrospect, the hints of this ending were all over the place. The answer Kyousuke gave to Sakurai ("No matter if it is now or three years ago, my answer is the same." ) and every other detail, it all led to this. I want to read it all before saying anything big, but it makes sense, I think...
As a big Kuroneko fan, though, I am quite sad with this. I really want to read that part (and the epilogue) to see what happened with their friendship, and if anything is said about what she does... I think she may be the one who accepted it the best, and because she knew Kirino as well as she did, she was aware of it all... for example, the scene where she was discussing with Ayase and said even if Kirino and Kyousuke had sex, she was fine with it. Of course, how far this is her true feelings, I don't know. For me, the biggest impact was because... Well. Truth be told, what I liked the most in Kuroneko was how she gave her best at so many things, but even though she did that, everything didn't go her way. She wasn't rich, popular, and if we thinkg about her lack of success with her doujinshi and novel, not very skilled. Even though she tried her best. On the other side, Kirino gave her best too, but everything she wanted.. she got. She was famous, skilled, fast, and pampered by the one she loved. It may be a fool's wish, but I really wanted to see something good happening to Kuroneko... because imo, she really deserved it. So, if I can say something about how I feel about this ending, is 'sad'. Not because it's a bad ending (again, I didn't read it yet.) but because someone I didn't want to see suffering did suffer. Sometimes, all we want from a fiction is to see good things happening with good people. P.S.: Someone said that Kuroneko gave the 'biggest curse' to Kyousuke, and that was a recording of Kyousuke describing who he loves... The biggest curse was helping him out, it seems. |
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2013-06-06, 22:34 | Link #2373 | ||
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(And I do still think that, in truth, there weren't really that many viable routes to take. It seemed like a lot of flags were tripped, but many of them were just distractors to muddy the waters before the big reveals of the last two volumes.) Quote:
(Where I was ultimately going with the point was, knowing how it ends now, the earlier scenes can be viewed in light of that interpretation.)
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2013-06-06, 22:37 | Link #2374 |
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In a way the novel remained loyal to its title. It started with the sister and it ended with her. Personally I don't dislike this end (but would have preferred a better one too) since I have liked Kirino from the start.
Another thing to consider is how much the editor and publisher affected the end of the novel. Leaving morals and controversy issues aside, the youth ordinance bill and the recent news of a newly proposed (or revised?) bill affecting maybe even more works (forgot the specifics but it was in the new not too long ago), there is some possibility that all this might have played some role in shaping some of this epilogue as well. In a vague way they probably tried to play it 'safe' (although not entirely). |
2013-06-06, 22:57 | Link #2378 | |
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Also its possible he didn't really think about that and just made the characters the way he wanted them to look disregarding genes and such.
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2013-06-06, 23:07 | Link #2379 |
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Concerning Kyousuke, it might be just me but my memory tells me that somewhere he or somebody else once commented on his resemblance to his mother in some aspect (I know they did the same with Kirino). Again this is just my bad memory, just 1% sure that this happened.
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2013-06-06, 23:12 | Link #2380 | |
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