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View Poll Results: Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood - Episode 54 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 61 | 71.76% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 17.65% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 5 | 5.88% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 2.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.18% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.18% | |
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2010-04-26, 12:33 | Link #61 |
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The poll is lacking the epic option that describes this episode the best...GARoy really went all out, evil face was well done too. The only thing that kept him from killing Envy were Riza's words, a touching scene (followed by a much less touching one of pitiable Envy committing suicide...). Sloth VS Alex was also very good (and not over yet!), Izumi's entrance and Hoenheim's part at the end makes me wonder, where's ep.55!?
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2010-04-26, 13:00 | Link #62 |
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Just wanted to point out that the whole "Don't go where I can't follow" was a mistranslation and that the "You can't reduce yourself to this" is actually correct.
According to my memory, the only dialogue change within the Royai scene was that the "Letting you do this/君にそんなマネをさせた" was changed into "bringing you painful memories again/またつらい思いをさせた". They probably wanted it to echo with the flashback, maa. Sorry, didn't watch the English sub actually but I hope you get what I mean hehe. Anyways, rated the episode 9/10. My favourite in Brotherhood so far.
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2010-04-26, 15:03 | Link #63 | |
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Damn I spent an entire year believing that to be the correct line. Translators shouldn't take liberties like that, damnit! I guess whoever did it was a massive royai fan, lol. |
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2010-04-26, 17:45 | Link #64 | |
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Where did they get the name for royai, anyway? Is it just as simple as "Roy-" (Roy) + "-ai" (love)? And if so, why doesn't it include Riza? Or is she the "-ai" (as in "hawk-ai")?
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2010-04-26, 18:11 | Link #66 |
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I always had an issue with the overly goody two-shoes message that's meant to be politically correct or something in this anime. It's probably my only issue with the whole series. I dislike how revenge is made to look like a bad thing. Its effects are greatly exaggerated, like it'll consume you slowly or some such nonsense. I felt from the beginning that Scar's vendetta was 100% justified, and I think Mustang killing Envy was the same.
Also, the beginning of this episode reminded me of something; one of the things I liked about the first series better than this one that's based on the manga is that Ed actually condemned the military for what they did in Ishval. In this series, he kind of is like 'oh well, it happened, too late'. But this episode was sweet like the other 53 |
2010-04-26, 18:20 | Link #67 | |
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And of course revenge is shown as a 'bad thing' in FMA, this is still a Shounen series... Arakawa can't write a manga gleefully advertising revenge when there'll be kids reading it... *sigh* Of course these kinds of debates had to pop up again after a year of quiet... I've kind of been fearing this before episodes 53 and 54 were aired...
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2010-04-26, 18:28 | Link #68 | |
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2010-04-26, 18:50 | Link #70 | |
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Even really young Japanese kids probably read/watch FMA.... Arakawa still needs to be careful when she touches upon those kinds of things.
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2010-04-26, 18:53 | Link #71 | ||
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Manga Ed knows better than to judge those he sees are good people today for possible mistakes they may have commited in the past, especially when he is completely unaware of the conditions that led to said mistakes and their feelings at the time. Quote:
Death Note was serialized in a Shounen magazine too and we all know what that was like. |
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2010-04-26, 19:01 | Link #72 | |
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2010-04-26, 19:04 | Link #73 | |
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I counted nineteen flame attacks from when Envy told him to not look down on him to when envy was reduced to his parasite form :P |
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Basically, the way I see it is that if someone wrongs you, you have the right to do back to them what they did to you. It stops there, and that's how it should be. No more outside parties, no more close people, etc. Of course, they have the right, but if they choose to forfeit that right and forgive the person who wronged them unconditionally, then they're even better. But revenge should be an ok thing. If someone killed someone important to me, you're gonna tell me I have to let that person off whether I like it or not? I don't think that's fair. And Scar has more of a right to revenge than anyone else. They wiped out his entire people for no reason at all. Then you're gonna tell him that he has to let them go? With the exception of Winry's parents, Scar mostly only killed people connected to the Ishval genocide. So why is that wrong? As for the example about Roy Mustang, if someone killed Riza, then yes they deserve to die. That's very simple. Does that justify killing everyone and everything? Of course not, nobody said that. But 'an eye for an eye makes everyone blind' is a faulty philosophy. It's not an eye for an eye that makes everyone blind. It's an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye. In other words, it's when one person gets revenge on another, people close to the person that vengeance was taken on stake a claim to revenge; but they don't have that right, cuz their fallen loved one committed a crime and deserved what he got. In fact, being forced to let go of a claim to revenge is a more unhealthy feeling in the real world. People who have been wronged who don't have justice served to them become incredibly negative and cynical, and take those feelings out on everyone and everything around them. Edit: Also, with regards to Roy Mustang's ambition, I think his willingness to take vengeance for a fallen comrade is essential to his bid for the spot. A leader of a country who will let his people get killed and forgive? That's not a leader people want, nor is that a realistically consistent example. Any country in the world that is attacked by another seeks retributive measures, unless they're not strong enough to. But if the leader of a country were willing to let slide the killings of his people, he should be looked on as a traitor, simply enough. Lol.... so much for keeping it short. >_>; Quote:
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2010-04-26, 19:58 | Link #76 |
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That's not the point... the issue here is that this series tells you that murdering men who wronged you is worse than murdering women and children (who did nothing to you) just because you did the latter under orders....
Now, you may agree with this message, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to too... it's just Arakawa's opinion, not some universal truth, and you should respect people who don't agree with it. Personally, I watch this show for the cool factor.... it has great moments from pretty much all the characters (this episode is a pretty good example). But that's it, I couldn't care less about Arakawa's moral message...
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2010-04-26, 20:06 | Link #78 |
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May I suggest a hypothetical situation? Imagine nuclear cold-war scenario, where you knew that if someone didn't do anything, everyone would blow themselves up in a near future. Imagine also that you had the power to prevent this near-apocalipse by killing 6 million people in the world. If you don't, 6 billion people would die as per consequences of this war in a near future + nuclear winter. Would you kill 6 million people to save 6 billion or would you let everyone die? I think the problem with the whole revenge thing is not the fact that he is taking revenge, but the way his closest friends and followers would look at him - as a unstable, unfit-to-rule, self-satisfying powerful man, who could act on a whim if he felt like it, with no rational reason behind it. From what I have seen, people respect and trust more the people that have a more stable mind, because even though they have all the raw emotion that everyone has, they control it and are able to make rational decisions, not blurred or influenced by those emotions. This is, I believe, a trait of a good leader. Mustang said what he wanted to be and do to his friends and followers. They believed it was the correct thing, and agreed/decided to help him, trusting what he said. If he were just a guy doing his thing, not asking anybody's opinion and doing whatever he liked, it would be fine according to the way things are. But, if he changes his inicial attitude on a whim, he would automatically be less trustworthy. How can you trust someone to do anything they say they would if they suddenly decide not to? I come in peace |
2010-04-26, 20:14 | Link #79 | |
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Let's go back to the episode.... Alex was epic!!!
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