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Orion made a great counter to felix there, imo.
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2011-10-29, 12:48 | Link #1402 | |
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As for not caring about killing people, I don't get that. He only attacked mechas, as far as I recall. And the mechas were fighting for the side that had just executed a bunch of innocent people.
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2011-10-29, 12:51 | Link #1403 | |
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As for Yuichi.... Spoiler:
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2011-10-29, 13:12 | Link #1404 | ||||
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2011-10-29, 13:16 | Link #1405 |
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The mecha being destroyed seems to have some significant consequence on the operator if we go by the reaction early in episode 2, and I can't help but think the large explosion (the mechs only seemed melted) at the end of the light show came from the mobile HQ with all the people handling field operations in it.
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2011-10-29, 13:17 | Link #1406 |
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My bad, I thought he killed the big mac at the end of episode two and the mecha pilots. I was under the impression, that if the mechs get destroyed, it will leave the pilots brain damage. So I take my previous statement back.
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2011-10-29, 13:20 | Link #1407 | |
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I don't deny that Shu has his reasons for being whiny. But the anime hasn't even hinted that it will explain the reason in the future. Saying "this is how people are in real life" doesn't cut it. Especially when you have a main protagonist who isn't funny (although I did laugh when he whined that people should care about his feelings more), isn't charming, isn't smart, isn't good at communication, and barely even smiles.
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2011-10-29, 13:28 | Link #1408 |
Lost in my dreams...
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Three episodes in, and probably dropping it now. The more I watch it, the further any potential enjoyment I could derive from the show seems to run.
It's like the show has a personality disorder, wanting to make political commentary amidst a would-be serious setting close enough to our own world to be relatable, yet doing so through a cast of characters and actions that seem far, far too juvenile to actually be part of said setting and anything but relatable. Worse, these same characters are supposed to be some of the major players here. Terrorists prancing around broad daylight and transferring to schools despite their faces being public knowledge, military commanders of a would-be relief force who wouldn't be out of place in a madhouse and operating with all the grace of a Nazi concentration camp without even attempting to look otherwise ... and then you have all the typical high school anime hijinks introduced here, from accidental breast groping to female suddenly moving in with the male character, to proclamations about wanting to be together forever that comes about fifteen episodes worth of character development early. Rather than having personalities, these characters feel defined by the tropes they represent. For everything the show does well, it counters with something that's hard to take seriously, or even respectfully. The writing just doesn't seem to be up to the task of operating within the setting of it's own creation with anything resembling plausibility. Pretentious is how this shows comes off to me more often than not, because I feel like I am constantly being force-fed the idea it's more than it actually is. A pretty package best left unopened, lest the contents ruin the first impressions. So ... yeah, dropping the show, it just doesn't seem to be heading in any direction that would promise anything but long-term frustration for me. Might change my mind later if I happen to hear good feedback suggesting it managed to straight itself, but unless that happens, best to steer clear of what seems to be shaping up as weekly twenty minutes of unfortunately wasted potential
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2011-10-29, 13:41 | Link #1409 |
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It's not that Shu does not care about the people getting killed because he definitely cared. BUT, he was afraid of the real truth AND therefore RAN from that real world and back to his school "dream" world. That's a big difference than not caring.
Going to post what I said before: Basically 1st episode is about Shu's life and his "dream" world that he lives in. 1st episode also shows how he was slowly dragged into the real world (actually he chose to continue to see the real world when he took Fyu-neru to the Undertakers). In Episode 2 he experienced the real world and how things are not okay and in fact is breaking everything that he wanted is his little "dream" world. He gets scared and ran way from the real world into his "dream" world again by the end of episode 2. Episode 3 with Inori joining school shows that the real world is in fact interacting with his dream world. Basically he can't run away from the truth and by the end of episode 3 was dragged back into the real world. This 3 episodes is pretty much like what Gai said that he only have 2 choices. Fight or run and hide and slowly get erased from the world. Now episode 4 should show his choices and whether he wants to continue running and hiding or now fight and survive. And don't anyone remember Simon from Gurren Lagann? Seems like everyone forgot him. @ Skyfall Haha I agree with you. However I tend to enjoy things either way even if it's full of tropes and whatnot because I usually take it as the series itself and don't compare with others. However do hope that it "straightens" itself then you can come back and watch it. For now I think we probably need to wait till episode 10 or so to see where it goes. One thing I don't agree however is "Terrorists prancing around broad daylight and transferring to schools despite their faces being public knowledge". Only Gai shows his face. Inori however... I don't know.
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2011-10-29, 13:55 | Link #1410 |
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But school isn't a dream world. It's also the real world. Lots of people carry on their lives in situations that aren't ideal. It's not like one has to take a dangerous stance just because it exists in front of you.
Just look at all the benefits he got, prob thanks to his mother. A nice apartment, a nice school, clean food and water, clothes, consumer electronics to play with...The guy has it good. People in comfortable situations aren't going to become terrorists unless they lose what they got or have an agenda. I bet Gai is a rich dude with an agenda. I sure as hell wouldn't join a resistance knowing that I'd loose all basic human rights if caught and prob wouldn't get rescued by my comrades. When Inori got caught, did Gai actually make an attempt to retrieve her? No, he guilt tripped Shu into doing it. Not something that I would want to be a part of. They have blood evidence for her involvement back in episode 1.
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2011-10-29, 14:18 | Link #1411 |
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It is a dream world. A world where he does not have to face any death, cruelty, and etc. It's a place where he a 17 year old and can live just like a student day to day. In a sense it is a dream world compared to what he saw when he went with Gai.
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2011-10-29, 14:20 | Link #1413 |
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Wow, lot of anti-replies against Guilty Crown here.
Seriously, what did you guys expect? Just that it has top notch visuals, CG's and animations doesn't literally mean a top class anime w/ "serious" "oh so awesome" plot. It's entertaining, if the viewer simply watches it to be entertained; and not be critically conscious on every goddamn little detail. I mean looked at Naruto. Hate on that more than this. As for Ep3. I kinda liked it. Though I'm more interested on the action packed EP's that surely is to come judging by the nature of this anime. Lol at the voids Shu got. "voids are the shape of one heart/of ones fears and complexes etc...". Then we got a huge ass fridge out of one guy. How sad could that guy be. I'm still sticking with this anime. Lovin' every second of it. Besides I have Fate/Zero for serious awesome storytelling anyway. |
2011-10-29, 14:30 | Link #1414 | |
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To Shu, the school is a place where not much happens to him. He goes to school. He goes home. When he went with Gai out to what really happens outside of the school, he saw people gets killed for no reason and all in front of his eyes. What does he do? He goes back to the comfort of his school where he was initially and did not have to face any of the things he saw with Gai. So in a sense, the school is his "dream" world. The thing he saw with Gai is the "real" world and is reality. Shu thought that he can run away from what really happens in reality around him by not joining and Gai and go back to his "dream" world but what in reality, all things that happen is interconnected which is shown when Inori (from the real world according to Shu) shows up in his very own "dream" world. Episode 3 he was dragged back into reality where he must now make a decision of either fight or try to run away again back to his "dream" world. I'm not saying school is a dream world. I'm saying school to Shu is a "dream" world. @ NoOneKnowS Hehe. Same here.
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2011-10-29, 14:37 | Link #1415 | |
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2011-10-29, 14:43 | Link #1416 | |
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Shu can still go back to his level. He just tells the government what they want to know and/or joins them.
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2011-10-29, 14:45 | Link #1417 |
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Even if Shu tells the government on what they want. He won't still be coming back on his normal life because he already has the power of kings. That alone is the proof that his normal life has ended. The government won't let him go or the funeral parlor.
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2011-10-29, 14:45 | Link #1418 | |
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@ Haak Yeah that was actually a separate point. I was referring to the part where he saw the innocent people getting killed by those soldiers.
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2011-10-29, 14:50 | Link #1420 | |
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They just need his blood sample. He gets a comfortable lifestyle with minimum fighting courtesy of the government.
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