2007-01-29, 15:12 | Link #61 |
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Im just tring to say that, if there was a better tactician dont yuo think we would have seen him/her? ANd wat i meant about the kakashi thing is that okay kakashi is hardly ever surprised by anything, he fact htat he got a stir just from hearing Shikamaru talk about how he plans on fighting two immortals. I think kakashi was blown away by shikamarus thoughts and his dedication to winning at all costs, even his own life. Shikamaru is the best tactician that konoha has ever known or could ever hope to know. find ANY other person in the manga thats smarter then him. no seriously..find one.
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So Yeah, The Manga has shown That Shikas tactics are far better than Kakashis.
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2007-01-29, 15:54 | Link #65 |
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thsts a completely differnet questiont hough if the two fought eachother becuase kakshi could get pised and send shikamaru to another dimension or somethng. that doesnt have to do with tactics, since Shikamaru doent know about that if he did he wouldnt stop moving and he would hide and find another way around it. them fighting one another wouldnt show who had better tactics just because kakashi could predict shikas moves with the Sharingan. then again i would pay major cash o see them fight. lol
i would have liked to see what shikamaru would have done against Zabuza that would be some good tactics there. |
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What I have said so far is exactly what has been show or said in the Manga, is not Comcllusion, Shikamrius fight Aginst Tayuya has been superior than Any of the tactics Kakshi shown so far, which in fact tactics are not the most important aspect of Kakshis fights. Quote:
It seems you don’t get well along in reading a story, past battle needs to be used because that’s the story, this is the only way you can say how one does things, this is how the author illustrate the ability of each person and how they fight, trying to ignore or avoid this, Is just doing for the sake of ignoring information . What you have done is Change what you asked at first and after that, beginning to deny facts from Manga just because You just don’t seem to like them. So, I will ask you again, do you have any proof of a tactic of Kakshi that could be equal or better than the 2 tactics I told? Have Kakashi ever have a fight were he decided not to use His sharingan, and instead of his Tactics? Do you expect that suddenly a fight of Kakshi is going to become like a Shikamaru fight? There is a reason why Shikamaru is the only one that done this type of Fight, and, Its very well because he is the best Tactician in the series.
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2007-01-29, 16:52 | Link #67 |
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I know everyone is still pumped up about Shikamaru's pwnage of Hidan, but we still have to remember that several times in the manga that it has been said that Kakashi has a brain like Shikamaru. We just can't disregard that fact.
The fact is that Shika HAS to rely heavily on his tactics and strategies to win a battle while Kakashi doesn't necessarily have to. This is in no way saying that Shika is a weak ninja, just so you know. |
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And like I said Shikamaru's fights don't prove that he is a better tacticians! They only illustrate that he can make some awsome tactics against his opponents. Different fights/opponents cannot be compared. They only way to determine who the best tactician is for them to play (that game...shogi? I forgot the name) or if they both come up with tactics against the same enemy. You can't just compare episodes just because you want to and create your own facts based on those episodes unless if the author makes a connection to those episodes. You can't just make comparisons on your own, the author has to do it. |
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Hence you are parting from a possibility to something that could happen, whereas Im parting from what we have seen in the Manga, which you dont like. Quote:
Ok so if SHikamaru is not the best tactician in the series so far who is it? Could you tell me who it is? Could you show me your Manga Proof where Kakshi has show Skill i tactics that can be equal to Sikas> you have avoided this question quite a lot of times Quote:
What you are doing is just denying facts, If past episodes can't be taken as point to illustrate something that means then that Shikamaru is indeed the best Tactician, as he is the only one praised for his tactics, but Kakashi haven't. Your approach of trying to respond to a debate is quite simply, I dont like that, so that cant be used.
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As In fact Kakshi Said he had a Brain like Shikamaru, but The Chapter were Kakshi Was surprised about SHika Strat showed you he was wrong about it, as if He knew Shikamarus Level of Intelligence, he should had not been surprised about Shika devising that plan. Quote:
But the manga have shown Who has done the best so far, Meaning that Right now, He is the best until is proven otherwise in the Manga, and that’s the point, As so as Every other character in the series, Gai With his Taijitus, Tsunade with her strgnth, Itachi with is speed, Neji with his Byakugan. They have not been said to be the best on their respective field, however They are the best SHOWN in the Manga so far, and that’s something that cant be overlooked, is something we have to accept as a fact until Kishimot decides to show us someone superior than them, Because parting form your observation even if the Manga ends then that will still means that they are not the best, given that the X character that was never Shown, hinted or mentioned in the Manga is better than them. And that’s is exactly what you are doing. Quote:
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Some things require comon sense. Use it! It's good. Last edited by chuckcsf; 2007-01-29 at 19:36. |
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2007-01-29, 23:01 | Link #75 | |
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I am not questioning Shikamaru's strategy... It was never stated or shown that Shika is the best... It was stated/shown that Shika is a great Strategist (and could very well be the best) but it doesn't say that he is the best You may choose to jump into conclusion that he is the best, but I don't like jumping into conclusions. I will wait for the author. Last edited by chuckcsf; 2007-01-29 at 23:15. |
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It's fine to believe what you like, but I wouldn't classify calling Shikamaru the best strategist as jumping to conclusions. It's more like drawing a conclusion based on how he's been presented in the story |
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Just because idiot Naruto says that doesn't mean it's true. Kakashi has a great deal of combat experience but that doesn't mean his IQ can compare with Shikamaru. Shikamaru's strength is his ability to think a dozen steps ahead of the game, and no other ninja has shown that ability. Never once in the series has Kakashi been shown laying out an intricate plan that leaves his teammates and opponents in awe, like Shikamaru does pretty much every time he fights.
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Once again, you are counting on a unmentioned, not presented and conditional Character, that it is a probability that could be shown. Given fights are done for entertainment, you wont see Characters having the same trait as other or using the same abilities, hence its Highly unlikely that someone is presented fighting like Shikamaru. Quote:
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So We cant say that Kakashi is better than Kankuuru, just because nothing has been said in the manga, and the fights are not relevant to prove this. We can't say that Kakashi speed is greater than Konohamaru, just because nothing has been mentioned on Konmohamaru speed, and the fights that have been presented are not relevant. Quote:
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“Their last encounter, Naruto got owned. Sauske no longer thinks of Naruto as his equal. Besides, he is more perverted than Naruto since he's been with Oro for 3 years.” “So Naruto's strategy that led to freeing Kakashi from Zabuza was not a good enough Strategy? Even the genius Sauske didn't think of that one!” ”Being able to out smart Neji (your so called Eye jutsu user) wasn't good enough for you either?” You know, is it me, or everything you posted in other threads has never been stated in the Manga? but wait, we accept it even like that. wasnt it you that said "You Dont like Jumping to conclusions"?.
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